Posted on 02/09/2008 10:52:51 PM PST by Rurudyne
EVAN SAYET
I call myself a 9/13 Republican. I grew up a liberal New York Jew; you don't get much more liberal than that--although it was lower-case "l," not what's considered Liberal today. I graduated from high school knowing only one thing about politics: that Democrats are good and Republicans are evil.
I tell a story. It's not a true story, but it helps crystallize my thinking that brought me to become a conservative. I say: Imagine being in a restaurant with an old friend, and you're catching up, and suddenly he blurts out, "I hate my wife." You chuckle to yourself because he says it every time you're together, and you know he doesn't hate his wife; they've been together for 35 years. He loves his daughters, and they're just like her. No, he doesn't hate his wife.
So you're having dinner, and you look out the window and spot his wife, and she's being beaten up right outside the restaurant. You grab your friend and say, "Come on, let's help her. Let's help your wife," and he says, "Nah, I'm sure she deserves it." At that moment, it dawns on you: He really does hate his wife.
That's what 9/11 was to me. For years and years I'd hear my friends from the Left say how evil and horrible and racist and imperialistic and oppressive America is, and I'd chuckle to myself and think, "Oh, they always say that; they love America." Then on 9/11, we were beaten up, and when I grabbed them by the collar, and I said, "Come on, let's help her. Let's help America," and they said, "Nah, she deserves it."
At that moment, I realized: They really do hate America.
(Excerpt) Read more at heritage.org ...
Socialism is STILL Slavery by Government.. by an elite.. a political class..
I don’t wish to hijack the thread, so I am sending you a private reply.
Perspective does not change the truth.
I think it's much simpler than that. The sin of Adam was to want to be like God. Liberalism is just taking that sin to its logical conclusion.
Communism, Fascism, they are both totalitarianism. I have spoken to many older people who lived through both in Europe. They preferred Fascism, as they were still allowed to run their businesses. They could not with Communism. That said, they still hated both systems.
we should not be embarrassed by their begging the question but should demand that they prove their case.that is a good essay CIC
Thanks, I'm quite happy with it, and with some of the responses, especially some amplification by LS, who's coauthor of a A Patriot's History of the United States (and other titles as well).Landreu's post was a bit ambiguous; as I read it I'm not clear whether he was actually referring you to my link, The Market for Conservative-Based News, or to the full article which was excerpted to post this thread. Speaking selfishly, I'm glad you took it as a recommendation of my article. All pings to it being gratefully accepted . . .
This is very good. He stated a lot of what I’ve been thinking for a while about the left. I make a point, in conversations w/Dems and leftists to praise America’s greatness. I make a point to discriminate with them and see if I can get them to discriminate.
Guess I need to read Bloom’s book...
You know I was being sarcastic about sitting out this election, right?
Something I’ve come to discover about the “liberal” mindset lately, also -
corporations are to be feared, everything they do is to be viewed with suspicion, all they ever do is seek profit at the expense of the consumer and the little guy.
On the other hand, government and those who seek power in it are always benevolent, always working for the good of the country, and any suspicion of their motives or end goals is “paranoid”.
Never mind that government has THE monopoly on the legal use of deadly force to impose its will, and the will of those who seek to use its power,
while business and corporations only succeed by providing the public with goods and services that are needed and desired, and have NO POWER to impose their will on you through force or coercion.
Good post, found something else to reply to.
Your #5, religion, shows the stupid assed assumption that’s going to get us all killed - that all religions are equal, and that a Christian or Buddhist is just as likely to behead you as a muslime.
Also, to understand the underlying mindset,
read “Conflict of Visions” (Sowell).
This explains why leftists tend toward centralized authoritarian constructs.
For those eight years virtually everyone in America was focused on accumulation of personal wealth and interested in the most base cultural happenings (OJ trial, Lewinsky, Condit/Levy).
Nobody in any arena (including this forum) was publicly ringing alarums about islamic terror. The Bush administration got caught with its pants down after nearly a year in office. We were all blissfully ignorant.
Thanks very much for this transcript. I watched the Heritage video of Evan’s speech last year, and was blown away.
May I suggest a thorough reading of Romans 14.
thanks for the clarification. Both good reads
BTTT!
I greatly disagree. Read some of the WTC/93, TWA-800, and Murrah building threads from prior to 911 on this forum as many of us were trying to get people to look seriously at the islamic terrorist components of those attacks on our own shores.
I think that if we really knew the scope and depravity of the treason committed by top liberals.
They would be hung from coast to coast beginning with Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Jane Fonda to the Clintoons, Pelosi, Reid and other elite liberal traitors.
I think that if we really knew the scope and depravity of the treason committed by top liberals.
They would be hung from coast to coast beginning with Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Jane Fonda to the Clintoons, Pelosi, Reid and other elite liberal traitors.
In any event, the statement is true of the American populace as a whole...we were asleep.
Before the fall, because the man and woman had not discriminated for (i.e. eaten from) either the Tree of Life or the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil they could be said to be effectively indiscriminately good (again, after that limited sense).
After the fall I would describe people as discriminately evil in the sense that we often want to do what is good and right but we simply have a relatively easier time being self-absorbed jerks (putting it mildly).
This lines up with the point being made when you realize that many of these "liberals" believe themselves to be innately good, and so that opens the door to this inane notion that the very act of trying to be right is what has caused all the world's problems.
But to give up "trying to be right" is not to become good but to become, in essence, indiscriminately evil. To render yourself incapable of being good to whatever degree of commitment you ascribe to the notion.
This is different from being simply a rotten and wicked person like a Hitler or a Lenin or a Mao, but it does disable a unreasoning person's ability to even judge such human horrors apart from sentimental or emotional baggage they may have inherited. In the extreme they may not even be able to believe that such men really were evil at all, only that they were trying to be right after some perverse notion.
As for the condition of a saint, to the degree that we do obey God and His Holy Spirit rather than this troublesome body of death we could be said to have become discriminately good; however, until the BoD (arguably a prime example of a "second master") the is finally and fully removed that should be confessed to be a technical truth rather than a factual one.
Beyond that I see the righteousness of a resurrected saint to be both supernatural — since we would then have the Holy Spirit and no more nagging competition from the BoD — and natural — since we would then be fully aware that even knowing about evil (never mind having been or acted evilly) is in no way a kind of wisdom at all, and indeed such represents great and horrific folly and madness (which we will not undertake ever again).
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