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1 posted on 01/21/2008 4:22:52 AM PST by A Navy Vet
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The rule of law is about to be undone - let’s just have the war while we are young enough to fight it...


2 posted on 01/21/2008 4:26:23 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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bump for later review and it would be good to source the following:

>Even the liberal Los Anglese Times has admitted the negative effect


3 posted on 01/21/2008 4:26:50 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: A Navy Vet
I think you've hit a nerve that should resonate w/ all of us:

What type of a country are we going to leave to our children and grandchildren? Decisions we make this year, more than any year in the past, will vibrate through generations to come.

4 posted on 01/21/2008 4:32:40 AM PST by Pietro
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To: A Navy Vet

If alive today, I wonder what President Davis would have to say about your article.


6 posted on 01/21/2008 4:41:44 AM PST by central_va
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What seems to be overlooked constantly on this issue is the negative progression into our Society that is accomplished by the tolerance of the Illegal Society. They may take the lower paying jobs that most of our children start with, were they available and not occupied by Illegals, but they also progress into Industries important to the livelihoods of many a tradesman. They remain outside of, not inclusive within our Society. IOW they don’t assimilate, they take, and take. The monies they make are sent outside of our system, and means to avoid taxation by dealing within their non assimilated communities, thus off the radar so-to-speak is rampant. Thus we have this non participation in funding yet maximum participation in taking.

I have to get offline, so this was not edited...Sorry.


7 posted on 01/21/2008 4:41:59 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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The future is here already.


9 posted on 01/21/2008 4:44:46 AM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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IMHO, this was predictable with the Income Tax. The final consequence of the tax is that 5% of the population pays 60% of the taxes. That 5% both own and run the government. Their choice for President is Hillary...she owns all their dirt.This, IMHO, was the ultimate reason for the Income Tax. We sold the country to them.


13 posted on 01/21/2008 4:56:30 AM PST by mo
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bttt


15 posted on 01/21/2008 5:09:36 AM PST by BenLurkin
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Personally, I think we might be better off balkanized than socialist.


16 posted on 01/21/2008 5:10:30 AM PST by Brilliant
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My number one issue is immigration.Winning the war on terror is a mute point if we dont have a country.It is being sold out from the powers that be.


19 posted on 01/21/2008 5:13:33 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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Illegals do the work that Americans refuse to do.

Absolutely true.

But which Americans?

Ask yourself that question every time you mow your own lawn, clean your own toilet and drive your own kids to school. It’s not that low and middle income Americans refuse to do low-wage jobs, it’s that the upper middle and high income Americans (can anyone say Chappaqua?) talk about social justice while still engaging businesses that hire illegals and individuals they know to be here illegally. I refuse to take lectures on racial harmony and social justice from liberal hypocrites who live in segregated communities, send their kids to segregated schools and outsource the rearing of their own children.

These nitwits are incapable of starting a lawnmower or driving a nail into a wall yet they presume to tell us how we should live our lives.

Does anyone want to ask Hillary why she lives in Chappaqua?

Is it because she wants to be nearer to the poor or because for decades it’s been known as the bedroom community of choice for every low-life, dirtbag lawyer in New York?


22 posted on 01/21/2008 5:22:11 AM PST by joeystoy
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Hammer the employers who knowingly hire illegals and the demand will dry up.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Until last year, I was an employer.

Somehow, I suspect that “hammering” employers who “knowingly” hire illegals will mean that those who don’t hire them “knowingly” will get hammered accidentally. It will also mean a lot more paperwork, time, expense, and vigilance on the part of law abiding employers.

If GOVERNMENT would do it job, then employer would not have to play UNPAID cop. Checking the identity of an employee should be no more complicated than a 2 minute phone call with an immediate response ( with a receipt from the government agency.)

I suggest the following:

1) Every traffic stop should include a check for immigration status. If that person is an illegal, they and their illegal family is deported within the week!

2) All hospitals accepting any government payments should check immigration status. Any illegals should be stabilized and deported as soon as their condition is not life threatening.

3) Government schools should report all children and families who do not have LEGAL residence.

4) All social services should check immigration status of all clients.

5) Any illegal should be finger printed and he and ALL of his family down to 3rd cousins should be forever forbidden from immigrating legally to this country.

6) Any illegal found voting should have a 30 year prison sentence. (Yes, corrupting our voting process IS that serious!)

Do this and the government should not have to “hammer” employers.

23 posted on 01/21/2008 5:25:57 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: A Navy Vet; Travis McGee

Another thread for those replying here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1956817/posts

Titled, England, an Epitaph. FR poster Travis McGee makes a comment about Enoch Powell that caused me to look at a very interesting Wikipedia article on Powell.


32 posted on 01/21/2008 5:40:57 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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I moved my family from SoCal to north Florida, because I don’t want to be in Aztlan when TSHTF.


35 posted on 01/21/2008 5:54:39 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals)

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times.



To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. See also here and here


46 posted on 01/21/2008 6:31:15 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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Sorry, I don’t buy it. I’ve been following the Primaries very closely, and the candidates from both Major Parties assure us that they really do represent We The People.


49 posted on 01/21/2008 6:35:24 AM PST by Wolfie
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Look at Switzerland and their immigration policies./Just Asking - seoul62........


76 posted on 01/21/2008 7:30:32 AM PST by seoul62
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Amen and Amen!!!


89 posted on 01/21/2008 9:34:48 AM PST by Montana4Jesus
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Sounds like a plan! But you have to realize most of our cities and states are suffering from the cancerous liberal politician and his band of criminals who are implimenting these social programs for votes. These despicable rapists are eating at the very foundation of American society. So I suggest you add a few more to your list, get involved from the lowest to the highest level in your communities, a voice speaks louder in mass. Search for the truth in media, and lastly stop voting these idiots in, get out and vote conservative!


90 posted on 01/21/2008 9:37:09 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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