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The Coming Oil Crash: Why Oil Prices Will Drop
Portfolio | January 2008 | John Cassidy

Posted on 12/31/2007 8:57:38 AM PST by Clemenza

http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/economics/2007/12/17/Why-Oil-Prices-Will-Drop


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Cuba; Editorial; Russia
KEYWORDS: cuba; energy; fracking; garyshilling; iran; keystonexl; lebanon; nigeria; oil; opec; prediction; predictions; predictionthread; ruble; russia; saudiarabia; sudan; venezuela
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To: mamelukesabre
I remember the gas wars of the spring of 88

I remember.. maybe 10 years ago, asking a "Strategic Planner" for Citgo what the price of oil was going to do in the next year. At that time, it was ~ $20-25. He predicted it would increase to $30. SIX MONTHS later, it was getting close to $10 again.

I concluded... NO ONE really knows... :-)

81 posted on 12/31/2007 10:35:30 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: Clemenza
Even after a new hydrocarbon reservoir is discovered, ramping up output takes years.

For some, maybe. 10,000ft horizontal wells in Tx panhandle can produce within a couple of months of breaking ground.

82 posted on 12/31/2007 10:44:13 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Dubh_Ghlase

I believe oil as energy is very close to being over, I offer just two of many promising ideers... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiWiXMHn0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt5z8L4LBJE&feature=related


83 posted on 12/31/2007 10:48:11 AM PST by Boiling point (The Indians had a bad immigration policy and look what happened to them!)
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To: OKIEDOC

“Depends a lot on whether the dollar continues to fall further into third world currency status.”

It’s nowhere near third-world currency status. These comments are patently ridiculous.


84 posted on 12/31/2007 10:48:27 AM PST by Sandreckoner
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To: Clemenza

The only reason oil prices are high at all is “futures speculators”.
There is plenty of fuel and lots of liberal hype about how it’s going to run out.


85 posted on 12/31/2007 10:50:56 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: OKIEDOC
The current state of the low dollar scares me

I really can't imagine why. The over-priced high dollar of several years ago is what should have scared you.

86 posted on 12/31/2007 10:52:20 AM PST by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: RightWhale
Oh, come on. You can think a little harder than that.

When there’s subsidies and lots of profit to produce corn because of the ethanol boom, farmers are going to quit producing wheat, barley, milo, etc, in favor of the big cash winner. Now there’s a shortage of these things because corn is taking up all the available land. Corn(for human consumption) still gets more expensive because ethanol plants are soaking up all the corn production. WHenever there's a shortage of something, the price goes up.

There is a worlwide shortage of grain(all grains) right now, and the ethanol boom isn't helping any.

87 posted on 12/31/2007 10:53:31 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
Now if only they could plant more beets for sugar so we can stop using corn syrup in soda. ;-)

Corn can grow practically anywhere where the soil thaws for at least part of the year. I seriously doubt, btw, that the government will let the bottom (through ethanol subsidies) fall out of the corn market, which is leading to all sorts of moral hazards.

88 posted on 12/31/2007 10:55:48 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor")
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To: Clemenza

Ethanol as an additive and a bridge over short-run deficits can be extremely cost effective. Putting a nation of 300 million mostly car-owning people on ethanol full time is certainly not.


89 posted on 12/31/2007 10:58:28 AM PST by steve8714 (Build the fence, ship 'em out, legalize teen workers.)
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To: Clemenza
In the Canadian province of Alberta, Shell and other energy companies are building massive strip mines to access local tar sands, which can be converted into synthetic oil or refined directly into petroleum at a cost of roughly $30 a barrel. Some experts believe the sands contain more oil than the subdeserts of Saudi Arabia.

That is probably the single most significant line in the entire article. I believe that oil will decline in price significantly in the next couple of years (since a lot of the increase in the price has been due to speculation and/or a fear premium related to the Mideast), but it'll probably never go below $30-$40/bbl. Given that, Shell and others can invest in R&D for tar sands with the knowledge that they pretty much can't lose money - the only question is "how much will they make?"

Given the size of the reserves, in a few years this will have an immense impact on the market. When combined with more (and far better) diesel-powered autos, hybrids, battery-powered autos, what Shiek Yamani was worried about 25 years ago will come to pass.

The market cannot be pre-empted forever by speculators, nor by governments (just ask the few Soviets left).

90 posted on 12/31/2007 11:00:42 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: am452
Oil companies have seen we will pay $3.00 per gallon without much whimpering. It will never be below $2.60-2.75 or so per gallon again unless some new fuel source is invented.

About ten years ago gas sold for less than a dollar a gallon in California. Was that because the oil companies were feeling charitable that year? I think it had more to do with supply/demand economics.

Oil companies cannot arbitrarily determine price. If they set the price too high, they will have a surplus they will have to store. If they set the price too low, they will run out of product. It has absolutely nothing to do with public "whimpering".

91 posted on 12/31/2007 11:11:36 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Clemenza
Remember that poll of Americans that showed the majority wanted higher fuel taxes to pay for the deficit after Perot proposed it?

That's insane (and back then, I was insane/liberal as well, so I should know.)

92 posted on 12/31/2007 11:13:49 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Tagline auction at this location, 01/01/2008)
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To: am452

Oil companies make about 12 cents profit on a gal. of gasoline — or 1/3 of the 36 cent tax per gal. (TX).


93 posted on 12/31/2007 11:17:28 AM PST by lonestar
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To: Alberta's Child

That has a lot to do with it, and W loves the weak dollar.


94 posted on 12/31/2007 11:21:49 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: rottndog

I’d say the bottom is somewhere near $85. I would not be surprised to see $105 in January if some reports claims China and India economies are continuing to expand.


95 posted on 12/31/2007 11:22:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: plain talk

The most hideous consequence of being dependent on Middle East oil is that OPEC can influence American elections by controlling the supply (and thus the price) of oil. If they increase the supply when we elect a president friendly to their desires then the American public will perceive that Arab-friendly presidents=low gas prices.


96 posted on 12/31/2007 11:34:00 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Should the gas prices move up to $4.50, you can kiss the motor boat industry so long and there will be job loss associated with that. Marine fuel was already up to $4.00 + last summer.


97 posted on 12/31/2007 11:34:36 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: Moonman62

Lots of people like a weak dollar — especially if they’re in any business that exports products/services to places like Europe, Japan, etc.


98 posted on 12/31/2007 11:38:07 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Clemenza

BUMP!


99 posted on 12/31/2007 11:40:21 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: am452

Clemenza wrote “Free Traitor” not “Free Trader”. He/She has other intentions...


100 posted on 12/31/2007 11:41:04 AM PST by DB
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