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UFO sightings are no laughing matter, group says
afp ^ | 11/12/07 | afp

Posted on 11/12/2007 3:53:44 PM PST by mdittmar

UFOs may be fodder for comedians and science fiction but there was no joking Monday when a group of pilots and officials demanded the US government reopen an investigation into unidentified flying objects.

The 19 former pilots and government officials, who say they have seen UFOs themselves or been involved in probes of strange flying objects, told reporters their questions can no longer be dismissed more than 30 years after the US case was closed.

"We want the US government to stop perpetuating the myth that all UFOs can be explained away in down-to-earth, conventional terms," said Fife Symington, former governor of Arizona and air force pilot who says he saw a UFO himself in 1997.

"Instead our country needs to reopen its official investigation that it shut down in 1969," Symington told a news conference.

Symington read an appeal on behalf of the group of who came to Washington to recount their sightings of UFOs.

"We believe that for reasons of both national security and flight safety, every country should make an effort to identify any object in its airspace," the statement said.

The group included a retired pilot from Air France who said he saw an enormous flying disc during a flight from Nice to London in 1994, an Iranian pilot who tried in vain to fire on a UFO in 1976 and a former US official from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) who claims a probe into a UFO seen over Alaska in 1987 was squelched.

"'Who believes in UFOs?' is the kind of attitude of the FAA all the time," Symington said.

"However, when I asked the CIA person: 'What do you think it was,' he responded 'a UFO.'"

When Symington suggested the government tell Americans about a UFO, the CIA official allegedly told him: "'No way, if we were to tell the American public there are UFOs they would panic.'"

The subject of UFOs came up in a recent debate among presidential candidates, with Democrat Dennis Kucinich saying he saw a UFO.

Skeptics say UFO sightings are merely aircraft or meteors re-entering the Earth's atmosphere.


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To: Las Vegas Dave

Thanks Dave.

Haven’t you posted a blow-up of that section before?

LUB


421 posted on 12/04/2007 2:28:40 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

It is useless arguing against them. They will be breaking out their pictures of groundhogs with foil on their heads from now until doomsday.

As sad as I have been lately, I pity people so limited.

Either God and the Universe is way more fantastic than we know, or even can know, or

we are just a bunch of atoms with no purpose.


422 posted on 12/04/2007 2:41:32 AM PST by djf (Send Fred some bread! Not a whole loaf, a slice or two will do!)
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To: djf

It is useless arguing against them. They will be breaking out their pictures of groundhogs with foil on their heads from now until doomsday.

As sad as I have been lately, I pity people so limited.

Either God and the Universe is way more fantastic than we know, or even can know, or

we are just a bunch of atoms with no purpose.

= = =

EXTREMELY WELL PUT. THANKS.

Though maybe too often . . . I get hooked toying with them or even contending with them . . . or worse being annoyed, irritated by them.

But your exhortation will be helpful. Thanks.

I think I used to get most annoyed at their capacity to keep the more informed amongst us from discussing the topic seriously. THANKFULLY, that has waned in recent weeks and months. I don’t know if that’s because more serious folks are stepping up to the plate to state their opinions or if the jerks are getting bored.

Either way, it’s welcome. Though I do wish more serious folks would step up to the plate.

By the time things are overtly OUTTED, it will be too late to do the . . . wise analysis in preparation.


423 posted on 12/04/2007 2:56:58 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: djf; Las Vegas Dave; SunkenCiv

MORE ATS GLEANINGS:

patent of interest . . .

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319001/pg1

SOURCE:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=7,282,727&OS=7,282,727&RS=7,282,727

Electron beam directed energy device and methods of using same

Abstract
A method and apparatus is disclosed for an electron beam directed energy device. The device consists of an electron gun with one or more electron beams. The device includes one or more accelerating plates with holes aligned for beam passage. The plates may be flat or preferably shaped to direct each electron beam to exit the electron gun at a predetermined orientation. In one preferred application, the device is located in outer space with individual beams that are directed to focus at a distant target to be used to impact and destroy missiles. The aimings of the separate beams are designed to overcome Coulomb repulsion. A method is also presented for directing the beams to a target considering the variable terrestrial magnetic field. In another preferred application, the electron beam is directed into the ground to produce a subsurface x-ray source to locate and/or destroy buried or otherwise hidden objects including explosive devices.

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MANTA RAY CRAFT REPORT FROM 1971 EXPERIENCE:

http://iwasabducted.com/archives/abductionboard/archive1/messages/84.html

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319010/pg1

SOURCE DOC:

Basic Report; Manta Ray shaped U.F.O. 1971


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Posted by Vidimagic (12.161.193.170) on November 05, 2001 at 22:17:41:

The Black Manta Ray U.F.O.
(Incident at Crow Creek August, 1971)
Abductee; John R. Renz Ex-Airman U.S.A.F. 1971.

In 1971 I was in the U.S. Air Force stationed at Francis E. Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne, Wyoming. At that time I was just an E-2. In the month of August an event took place that changed my life forever. An event that I kept a closely guarded secret for just over 30 years until I couldn’t handle the psychological anguish that came with it. I will not elaborate on all details. I will keep the names of certain individuals out to protect them. The ones that helped me.

August 16, 1971 was on a Monday. After doing my routine duties and got off duty at 5:00 P.M. I headed for the chow hall. After that I left the chow hall heading north on Randell Ave. It was starting to get dark. Happy Jack Road is State Route 210. It is on the base. I followed it and then came to Crow Creek Bridge. (dark now).

As I approached the bridge (no street lights-open country) I didn’t notice how deadly quiet it was. Approximate time was between 7:30 and 8:00 P.M. . When I got on the bridge and right at the middle this very bright light came on from above me. Its contrast was like a light bluish white. You could see like fog arising from the bridge and the light lit up the whole bridge. The next thing I knew the bridge seemed like it was being raised upward in a wave motion and set back down. After that is when I heard a very heavy breathing and heart beat. the heart beat was probably my own but the heavy breathing wasn’t mine.

I took off running and dropped my corn cob pipe where I had started running from. Just before I got to the end of the bridge, and still to this day I don’t know. I turned around and went back to retrieve my pipe. The whole time the bridge was lit up. As I found my pipe I stooped down to get it and looked up. There it stood not more that three feet away from me. I jumped to a half standing position and both me and the being stared at each other. The being motioned It’s right arm as if it wanted for me to come with it or come closer.

I totally panicked when I saw its three fingers and how scaly it’s fingers were. The being had on what looked like a silver gray body suit on. The head was covered with a helmet that had what looked like a blast shield of some kind. I’ll never forget it. There was a tube that went from the front of the helmet were the mouth would be and went into the chest area. It looked like a trake tube. I turned to my left to run as fast as I could and next thing I remember was that I had run out in front a jeep with three airmen in it. The gap is that I have no memory of running off the bridge itself, nor running the fifty feet of road from the bridge to the cross road. Where the airmen were traveling in the jeep. After I had run in front of the jeep I ran to the barracks and ran up to an airman who was throwing a trash bag in the dumpster. I grabbed his arm and asked him if he saw the thing on the bridge. He replied no. I remember very distinctively what time and day it was. He looked at his watch and told me that it was 02:00 Sunday morning. I told him that couldn’t be right. He showed me his watch and told me that I looked like hell. And he walked away. At that time I noticed that I stank, I had a beard, my fatigues looked like I had been sleeping in them with out changing. I ran up stairs to my dorm room and locked myself in. I picked up a club and went to the window parting the blinds and was looking down in the direction of the bridge. After the O.C. unlocked my door some airmen apprehended me and took me down the stairs to the M.P.s that were waiting for me. The M.P.s took me to the base hospital.

At the hospital I was taken to a small room that was approximately 12 X 15. The only thing that was in there was a chair, a table with cabinet on it. The doctors that came in did not examine me as normal doctors would. They had a nurse come in and take seven small vials of blood. And give me a liquid to drink, It was suppose to be a sedative to calm you down. But what sedative has a minty taste to it? I do remember drinking it but nothing much except answering some questions and being told by the doctors to keep looking at the floor. The next thing I remember is that the fuel section sergeant came to the hospital to take me back to the barracks. After that I have some memory of what happened, what I did as far as duties. That is until my discharge on September,20,1971.

During my discharge the base attorney told me that in time I would remember what I couldn’t then. He was right. He knew something and wasn’t telling me back then. Years came and went. Then the flashbacks and nightmares came progressively with time.

Back on the bridge when I turned to run I was stopped and taken aboard the manta ray shaped ufo. I remember being in this small cubical like no bigger that a storage area. I remember looking through the window of it and this is what I saw. As I looked out through the window I saw this creature at a control panel. When I looked past the creature I realized that I was looking at clouds below. And you could see some rainbow to them. Then everything goes blank. The next thing I remember when I opened my eyes again was that we were going down through some clouds that were like a reddish brown in color. Then everything goes blank. When I regained consciousness This being and I were walking out from under this craft. I remember looking up and seeing the texture of its covering. It looked like it was covered with multi lenses andthe main color of the craft was dark gray. very dark gray, almost to a black color. The being ( speaking to me mind to mind) had me go into this room that was small and in it was a table that floated. On this table was a courpse. I never saw anything like before. The head was larger than ours by comparison and it had the face like a wasp.

The eyes were covered with some kind of covering that had multi lenses. The pupil was like a slit that looked like it was suspended by somekind of cord or something. It definitely had an exoskeleton that was pliable and had a oily like feeling to it. You could see the hands had what looked like three fingers and what looked like a thumb at it’s wrist. The length of the dead creature was about four feet.

The color of the corpse was a light tannish but darker where the joints where the scales joined. It also had a bluish gray color to it. A liquid was dripping from the hole that went through it’s chest. The liquid had some dark reddish brown and clear liquid in it. You could see through the hole in it’s chest. The smell was horrible. It smelled like sulphur and rotten eggs.

The being had me exit the room where the corpse was and go out side. After being sick to my stomach from the horrid smell of the corpse I noticed that the air there seemed to have a lot of oxygen in it. Then the being took me around the hill side and there it set. The most awesome craft I had ever seen. It was huge, very huge. As I looked at it as we were walking toward it I noticed that it was the same color as the other one.

Description of craft; Color- dark gray, almost black.
Body Shape; Manta Ray shaped, with no tail fins. Width; 100 feet.
Length; 80 feet. Craft has oval bubble shaped canopy on front of it.
With of canopy; 20 feet. Height of canopy; 10 to 15 feet. Color of canopy; dark jade green.

front view of craft:

top view of craft:

What appeared to be engines on what would be wings were not engines as we know them. They had conical ends on them and were also dark jade green in color. The body of what looked to be engines was dark gray, almost black as the rest of the craft.

After we had gotten under the craft I remember looking up and this hatch door slid open. Then this ladder came from within it. The ladder was clear in appearance. The being spoke to me ,mind to mind again and told me to enter the craft. I didn’t really want to but I had no control over myself. I was being controlled psychologically by the being. I grasped the ladder (And somehow I knew this craft was over 200 years old by our measurement of time) and the ladder had the exact feel of aluminum. I got to the inside and the being told me (mind to mind) to get in the left seat. I at that time was not wearing my glasses. I know this for fact. Everything was a dull silver-gray. Everything looked like it was molded in one casting. I couldn’t believe the incredible view through the canopy. Everything was crystal clear. But you could not see inside of the craft from the outside. I never in my life saw anything like it in my life. It was as if I had done this before. I looked out the canopy and saw another Manta ray shaped craft across the ways. The scripture going across the screen in front of me I have no conscious memory of but at that time it was like I could understand it.
Some of the inscriptions were like a form of hieroglyphics. After the being ordered me to start the craft I realized that I was in the pilot seat and it was in the navigator/weapons seat. I had no control over my mind, my actions but was compelled to do as the being commanded. After getting the craft started (which is detailed in my testimonial story) I remember going through this valley and a rocky cliff was jutting out the side of the mountain on the right. The desert land below was mainly a reddish brown but light in color. no vegetation could be seen there. I remember turning the pearl colored oval shaped handles to the front and the terrain below became a blur.

The craft gained speed very quickly and I felt no G-force (Mass Avoidance). I knew that I would be involved in a conflict that no one I knew of knew it existence.

It was known as the great war of Beta Elipson. (You have to remember that these events came back to me as nightmares and flash backs, by the means of time released regression recall.) By mind to mind the being explained to me about the creature I saw on the table that was dead. The being explained to me that those creatures were of a murderous race. Then we came to it, What I call the hive because it looked like a gigantic bee hive with pillars that had flat tops with chrome spheres on them. The craft beside us (the same type of craft) blew up into a huge fire ball. They were killed.

The being told me mind to mind a command, Mirror image on. Mirror image is the craft is able to produce a hologram of what’s around it making it invisible to the eye. The being mind to mind told me to turn away, that it had fired. After turning away and accelerating to a very great speed. What I call the hive blew up with a massive explosion that shook the craft we were in.
At that time I knew that my friend from the base were I was stationed was killed in the Manta Ray U.F.O. that had blew up. I knew it in my mind, I knew it in my heart.

After a while the being told me to head for the setting star. Little did I know that we were heading to where a massacre occurred. The worst sight I ever saw, After we got to a desolated area where you could see a structure in a very large crater area. Near the entrance you could see seven mutilated bodies, very mutilated.

One was like the insect like creature that I saw on the table. half of its face appeared to have been chewed off. The others were more like human like by physical features. Except they had larger heads and larger eyes. They were dead. some had holes through them a few were mutilated. The smell was horrible. As I remember to this very day I and the being went into this stone structure. It was there I thought I saw going to die. This Creature that looked exactly like the insect one but much taller came in the structure and looked me dead in the eyes as it went to the back of the structure. The being I was with started killing it with a weapon I know I never knew existed. The screams that thing made still haunt me to this day. After it was killed we left the structure and returned to the manta ray shaped craft.

I will always remember standing halfway up that clear ladder looking at those dead mutilated bodies . That was the most horrid sight I ever witnessed and will never forget it. The being commanded me to get in the craft and we left that area. The next thing I remember was that We had come to this populated area. There was a very huge structure that had large doors. The structure had like a light jade color to the stone structure to it and they were transparent. After exiting the craft the being and I got on this sidewalk that was amber in color and it moved toward the structure. This thing went over a causeway that was underneath it and I saw the others down below. It was it this structure that I met the 13 other people and I remember very vividly two of them were staring at me. The heavy set man looked like a sales man and the thinner woman who had light color hair are the two faces I remember mostly.

It was there that we received a condolence for the death of my friend who died and it was there where we were given the reason on why we were chosen. I and the 13 others received a warning to take back with us and deliver to our own planet. We were returned to where we’d been picked up at unharmed. Ever since then I have suffered from night blindness and have become progressively ill. Possible radiation poisoning.

I don’t know what it really is.

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EXISTENCE OF ET’s UFO’s HAS BEEN PROVEN. ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread284226/pg1

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SCIENTIFICALLY EARTH COULD BE AT CENTER OF UNIVERSE

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread312344/pg1

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WOULD OUR LEADERS TELL US OF IMPENDING CATACLYSM?

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319009/pg1

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424 posted on 12/04/2007 3:32:41 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix; All

Oooops. Forgot ping to All;


425 posted on 12/04/2007 3:44:57 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

You simply do not know how to discuss your conclusions because you came to your conslusions as a fun fantasy. Have fun in your fantasy world.


426 posted on 12/04/2007 10:45:44 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Quix

Though I don’t care that much if some idiots think
***There seem to be plenty of idiots on the side of ET visitation, because not one of them will argue the case for ET. It’s funny how these idiots have a disdain for inductive reasoning, yet seem to fall into the classic fallacies time and again. Fortunately for the ones who can think critically among us, this is a political website and inductive reasoning is the acknowledged utility in moving forward, while fallacies are the acknowledged sign of what you so lovingly call idiots.


427 posted on 12/04/2007 10:50:44 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Quix

And, I do . . . often enough . . . bend over backwards trying to give the benefit of the doubt . . .
***Interesting. This is the first thread where I basically started to put forth my perspective, and I see insults and derogatory comments coming from you straightway. If this is an example of you bending over backwards, you don’t bend very far.


428 posted on 12/04/2007 10:57:32 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Quix
Thanks for all the links, Quix. Very interesting.

Ignore the Kevmo, he's the one that's raving.

429 posted on 12/04/2007 11:13:17 AM PST by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: Kevmo

No. Not at all.

But if it comforts you to think so, be my guest.


430 posted on 12/04/2007 12:12:31 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Kevmo

Some of us will persistently refuse to bow before your loftiness.


431 posted on 12/04/2007 12:14:14 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Kevmo

Irony reigns supreme, evidently.


432 posted on 12/04/2007 12:14:46 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: freedomson

Thanks for your kind words.

Yeah, kind of obvious to the bulk of the list, it seems.

But thanks for your kind and accurate exhortation.


433 posted on 12/04/2007 12:15:45 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Some of us will persistently refuse to bow before your loftiness.
***Yes, this is your demonstration of bending over backwards.


434 posted on 12/04/2007 12:23:17 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: freedomson; Quix

Quix is unable to follow your advice.


435 posted on 12/04/2007 12:24:59 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Young Werther

Thanks again for that Foo Fighter link on the other thread.

http://missilegate.com/rfz/foofighter.htm


436 posted on 12/04/2007 4:18:54 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

When that foofighter site gets taken down, we would have wished the info was posted here. Unfortunately, the pictures will be lost.

Stevens
- Hitler’s Flying Saucers -
A Guide to German Flying Discs
of the Second World War

Foo Fighters
“Foo fighter” is a name given to a small, round flying object which followed Allied bombers over Germany during the latter phases of the air war. There are also some reports of foo fighters in the Pacific theater of the war. Sometimes they would appear singularly but more often in groups, sometimes flying information. By day they appeared to be small metallic globes. By night they glowed with various colors. These object attempted to approach Allied bombers closely which scared the bomber crews who assumed they were hostile and might explode. Upon taking evasive maneuvers they found the foo fighters would keep pace with them in some instances. Besides the name foo fighter this device is sometimes called “Feuerball”, its German name or its English translation, fireball. More about names later.

For those readers who have not been exposed to foo fighters before, following is an American flight account found in Intercept UFO by Renato Vesco:

“At 0600 (on December 22) near Hagenau, at 10,000 feet altitude, two very bright lights climbed toward us from the ground. The leveled off and stayed on the tail of our plane.They were huge bright orange lights. They stayed there for two minutes. On my tail all the time. They were under perfect control (by operators of the ground). They turned away from us,and the fire seemed to go out”.

Vesco goes on to say:

“The rest of the report was censored. Apparently it went on to mention the plan’s radar and its sudden malfunctioning” (1).

Flying saucer books of the 1950s usually mentioned foo fighters and recounted the sightings of Allied servicemen. Later, due to the extraterrestrial hysteria, publications tended to omit descriptions of foo fighters, preferring to begin the tale of flying saucers with Kenneth Arnold in 1947.

In modern times, if they are mentioned at all by mainstream UFO magazines or books, an attempt is sometimes made to confuse the issue of the origin of foo fighters in one of three ways. First,they say or imply that both sides in World War Two thought foo fighters were a weapon belonging to the opposite side. They may cite as a source some German pilot obviously “out of the loop” who claims the Germans did not know their origin. Second, they attempt to advance the idea that foo fighters are still unknown and a mystery or possibly a naturally occurring phenomenon. Third, they advance an extraterrestrial origin.

It is difficult to imagine a vast bad faith plot, extending over years, which attempts to discredit or confuse the issue of foofighters. Perhaps the authors of these UFO magazines and books are truly without a clue and simply perpetuating old and bad information as a convenient explanation. In any event, it is now clear they utterly failed to do their homework on foo fighters before writing about them.

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The First Reports Of German Foo Fighters

Top: A Reuters report from December 13, 1944 Bottom: The New York Times, December 14, 1944

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Foo Fighters In Flight

Top: At night or in dim light foo fighters appeared luminescent. Bottom: In strong light foo fighters appeared as silvery balls. This picture was taken over the Pacific in 1943. There are many stories speaking of small, round flying balls sent to Japan by the Germans via submarine.

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The U.S. military, too, has always denied knowledge of foofighters. Numerous Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request shave been filed, for instance, by this writer as well as other researchers asking for information on foo fighters. A “no record” response always followed. All U.S. governmental agencies queried claimed that they had never heard of foo fighters. This happened in spite of the fact that all known alternate names for foo fighters were submitted as well as a detailed description ofthe device itself. This was the situation until the late 1990s.

Vesco is by far the best source concerning the foo fighter which he calls “Feuerball”. He describes it as a radio controlled missile, built at an aeronautical establishment at Wiener Neustadt (Austria) with assistance of the Flugfunk Forschungsanstalt (Radio-Flight Research Installation) of Oberpfaffenhoffen. The project was under the control of an SS technical division. It was armored, circular in shape,resembling the shell of a tortoise. The device was powered by special flat, circular a turbojet engine. After being guided to the proximity of the target from the ground, an automatic infra-red tracking device took over control. The circular spinning turbojet exhaust created a visual effect of a bright, fiery ball in the nighttime sky. Within the craft itself a klystron tube pulsated at the frequency of Allied radar making it almost invisible to those remote eyes. A thin sheet of aluminum encircled the device immediately under the layer of protective armor but was electrically insulated from the armor. Once a bullet pierced the armor and the thin aluminum sheet, a circuit was formed which had the effect of triggering the Feuerball to climb out of danger at full speed (2).

Once within range, special chemical additives were added to the fuel mixture which caused the air in the vicinity of the device to become ionized. This meant that electricity could be conducted directly through the air itself (3). Any ignition-based engine coming into range of the ionized region would become useless, misfiring, stalling and eventually crashing.

Vesco goes on to say that with the advance of the Soviets into Austria the production facilities for the Feuerball were moved to a number of underground plants in the Black Forest run by the Zeppelin Works (4).

Recently an Austrian researcher, Kadmon, who specializes in uncovering the esoteric, sent to me a copy of a letter describing details of the foo fighter from the German perspective. This letter is reproduced here for those who read German language. It is a letter from physicist Friedrich Lachner to Professor, Dr.Alois Fritsch. The letter tells Dr. Fritsch that in an aircraft

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plant which was a branch of Messerschmitt at Weiner-Neustadt,Austria, a test model of a flying craft was built with a diameter of five meters which presumably made a test flight to Vienna.”His Martha”, his wife, saw the outline of an exactly elliptical flying object in the twilight which appeared to her to be operating by some other means of flight that was normally the case because of its sudden directional changes. Her reaction was that it was an enemy flying object and it scared her. After the bomber attack on the plant, a doctor, “Oskar L.” saw a model of this frightful thing in the plant also and had no idea of what it was. The astronomer Waehnl was, during the war, employed calculating construction costs at this aircraft facility where she had earlier in life learned something of aircraft technology from her father. She confirmed it also. Lachner briefly spoke with an engineer named Kuehnelt who worked as in flight technology for the German Army. He explained to Lachner that he saw such a device with a diameter of fifteen meters. Lachner says that he had known for some years about a machine with a thirty meter diameter. He also says that he had gotten to know a flight engineer named Klein when he was active near the flight testing of the supreme chief General Udet. Lachner claims that”Klein had something to do with these things”. One or more unmanned and remote controlled of this sort of spinning-top-like flying objects are mentioned by Lachner in connection with the massive Allied bomber raids on the ball-bearing plant at Wuerzburg. Finally, Lachner goes on to say that a Professor Richter built these devices for Peron in Argentina. A long distance test-flight was actually flown to the United States. There the device was intercepted and an American pilot was shot down. The remainder of the letter concerns nuclear developments in Austria and the USA before and after the Second World War and misunderstandings by Lusar in his book.

This letter was written in 1975. Details concerning Klein and the larger flying objects were in print by that time. There are important confirmations within this letter. These are revelations concerning Lachner’s wife as an eyewitness to the object in twilight flight, the medical witness who saw the object within the plant at Wiener-Neustadt, and the confirmation of the astronomer, Waehnl. Unfortunately, Kadmon advises that Dr.Waehnl is now deceased. The important point is that these are real people with real names. Most of whom were alive at the time of this letter. Further, some of these people were scientists with a reputation at stake yet they did not disavow the substance of this letter in any way.

In the closing months of the last millennium witnessed a breakthrough regarding foo fighters. The break came by accident and from the government of the United States. Remember, Freedom Of Information Act requests regarding foo fighters had been filed with many branches of the U.S. military and intelligence services as well as with their repository, the National Archives. Even though all known alternative names were included, as well as a detailed description of the device in question was provided, a “no record” response was uniformly generated by all facets of government.

Austrian Atomic Scientist Professor Friedrich Lachner’s Letter

Professor Lachner describes a sighting of a foo fighter by none other than his wife, Martha. Lachner mentions that he heard that Professor Richter built these devices for Juan Peron in Argentina. This, incidently, is the same Professor Richter involved in an ill-fated attempt to produce fusion generators for Peron.

A German researcher, Friedrich Georg, recognized a valuable entry in a microfilm roll, titled a 1944 U.S. Strategic Air Forces In Europe summary titled An Evaluation Of German Capabilities In1945, which, somehow, had eluded the censors (5). In that summary report German devices called by American Intelligence “Phoo Bombs” are discussed. Sources for this summary were reports of pilots and testimony of prisoners of war. Phoo bombs were described as “radio-controlled, jet-propelled, still-nosed, short-range, high performance ramming weapons for use against bombing formations”. Speed was estimated at 525 miles per hour.

Further demands were made using FOIA as to the raw data used to compile the summary evaluation. Of course, denials followed, but finally, after an Appeal, the government indicated that more information did exist concerning Phoo Bombs. Most of this was a repeat or re-statement of the summary document. One document was hand-written and may have served as the basic text of the report.

It seems the U.S. Air Force was never aware of a threat to aircraft engines coming from over ionization of the air around these devices. Likewise, the claim by Vesco that they possessed klyston tubes which pulsed at the same frequency of Allied radar and so jammed radar on board was not recognized. Vesco cites the aircraft radio research institute at Oberpfaffenhofen (F.F.O.) as having invented such devices (6).

The Combined Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee report on this facility. Report 156, states that work there involved several types of klystron tubes and that one of this facilities principal functions was inventing technology to jam Allied radar,unfortunately all the secret material held at this facility was burned in the face of the advancing Allies. Individual scientists later produces some copies of documents which represent what the Allied intelligence strike teams took away.Exactly how complete this sample was we will never know (7).

Other very exotic research did go on at the F.F.O. installation which might be mentioned. They not only did work on klystron tubes but on magnetrons also. They did work on generation of millimeter range radio wave through the use of crystal vibrations. They also experimented with silicon and germanium”crystals” (8). These two substances figure prominently in the making of what we call today semiconductors which form the basis of the transistor. Invention of the transistor is credited to William Shockley, for which he won the Nobel Prize, about two years after the Second World War.

This bit of research explodes an argument made by the late Col.Philip j. Corso in his book The Day After Roswell that transistors were, at least in part, based upon alien technology(9). The only questions which remain are: exactly how far the Germans progressed in their work on semiconductors and should the scientists at the F.F.O. have been given credit for this discovery, the transistor, instead of Shockley? This example also illustrates exactly how far the military will go, or at least individuals in the military, to perpetuate the notion of high-technology derived from aliens. It also illustrates the willingness of large establishment publishing firms to assist in the propagation of these ideas.

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The U.S. Government Knew Truth All Along

U.S. government’s own documents prove they knew of the German origin of foo fighters. This table of contents of a “Intelligence Digest” document, with a February, 1945 date, addresses German military capacities. It lists “Phoo Bombs” as a weapon in the German arsenal (see VI- OtherWeapons) Taken from microfilm negative image.

A UFO Rosetta Stone

This document, fascinating in its own right, serves as a translation. “Foo fighters are “Phoo Bombs” in the government’s parlance. No more “no record” name-games from the government.

A UFO Rosetta Stone A UFO Rosetta Stone

“Phoo Bombs”An Intelligence Officer’s Hand Written Notes

Obtained in a freedom Of Information Act asking for more information after learning the government’s code word for foo fighters (”Phoo Bombs”).

Returning to the subject of foo fighters and the governments suppression of this information, it seems the government feels it has the right to deny FOIA requests, no matter how detailed the description may be, unless the requester uses exactly the same name as the government uses. Was the name “foo fighters” as opposed to “Phoo Bombs” just not close enough to trigger a response under the law or was this just another example of the government’s bad faith regarding FOIA? Probably it was the latter. Friedrich Georg’s research work which produced the first document naming Phoo Bombs acted like a Rosetta Stone in that it was a translation of their terms into ours. This applied not only for foo fighters but for the other topics mentioned below which the government had previously denied.

With these documents as proof of American knowledge of foofighters, the understanding with regard to foo fighters is quite different than the confusion generated heretofore. The fact is that Vesco has been vindicated. The fact is that foo fighters were German-built flying weapons of war. The fact is that they were the very first modern UFOs. And finally, the fact is the government of the United States has known this all along and kept these facts from us for almost sixty years.

It should be noted that the documents which are in my possession are all documents written during the Second World War. No mention is made of Phoo Bombs in any post-war documents I have seen. Examples or at least plans of these flying devices must have been recovered. It seems there are still secrets hidden away in government files. To keep these secrets the government is willing to violate its own Freedom Of Information Act laws.

It should be noted that the document uncovered by Mr. Georg describes several weapons systems previously not disclosed by the U.S. government. This includes German rockets larger than the V The government document states: “68 feet in length as against 45 feet” The forty-five foot figure signifies the V-2, while the sixty-eight foot rocket is completely unknown.

In this same document is a description of a gas-weapon first described by Vesco and designed to down enemy aircraft (10).Actually, there are two such gas weapons. The first gas is designed to cause engine destruction through pre-ignition as described by Vesco. The second gas is designed to cause engine seizure through the breakdown of the viscosity of the engine’s lubricating oil. This is another vindication of Vesco. Therefore, when Vesco states that this very weapon was successfully used against Allied aircraft in a second-generation saucer, the Kugelblitz, perhaps he should be taken seriously(11).

Finally, this document describes something the Americans call the “Magnetic Wave” but which the Germans always described as “Motorstoppmittel”, meaning literally, “means to stop motors”.Motorstoppmittel and other German death rays were also the subject of repeated FOIA requests which were all denied. It was only with the code-word “Magnetic Wave” that the dam of information was finally broken concerning this device and other German ray-weapons. Not only did the Germans use ionization ofthe atmosphere to halt ignition based engines but they also experimented with x-ray weapons and an even more exotic method,possibly involving use of the laser (12).

Vesco places construction of the foo fighter at the Austrian site of Wiener-Neustadt (13). Indeed, the testimony supplied by Kadmon does indicate an Austrian home for the foo fighter. The most likely site for foo fighter development was the Rax Works.The Rax Works were an outgrowth of the combinations and growth of several firms, the Wiener-Neustaedter Flugzeugwerke GmbH, the Flugzeugbau der Hitenberger Patronenfabrik, the Flughafenbetriebsgesellschaft Wiener-Neustadtand the Wiener Neustaedter Lokomotiv-Fabrik which was acquired by Henschel after the unification of Austria and Germany (14).

All the sources cited place foo fighter production in Austria.It is often repeated that this was a purely SS project, built atWiener-Neustadt, with the help of the F.F.O. It is possible that these craft had an independent origin, outside the scope andsphere of Peenemuende. At about this same time, early 1943, Professor Alexander Lippisch broke away from Messerschmitt to head the Vienna based Luftfahrtforschungsanstalt-Wien (LFW). This was a first-class facility and Professor Lippisch is a figure central to the understanding of German flying discs.Vesco links the foo fighter, his “Feuerball” with a further-developed manned saucer, the “Kugelblitz”. It is possible that both these craft had an independent origin, that is outside the purview of officials at Peenemuende under the direction of Dr.Lippisch at the LFW. In this case their link to Peenemuende would have become stronger as the war progressed and on a higher order, that of the SS through Dr. Hans Kammler and the Kammler Group based near Prag. It is also possible that the research and controlling authority of the German disc program moved from Peenemuende to Wiener-Neustadt as researcher Klaus-Peter Rothkugel suggests.

Questions arise with the acknowledgment of “Phoo Bombs” by the government. The first is what is the agenda of those seeking to deny this fact both in and out of government? Are these just extraterrestrial “true believers” gone amuck? There is no doubt that the government has known the truth about foo fighters and German saucers in general for almost sixty years, yet they have never been willing to publicly acknowledge these facts. Why is this? What issues of national security could possibly be compromised with such a disclosure over a half-century later?

Captured Foo Fighters In The USA?

From “The Arizona Republic”, July 8, 1947 83

Is this denial of foo fighters just of government inspiration? The sad truth is that the private “information” or disinformation sector is also guilty in of a cover-up. Why do they contribute to the denial of the German origin of this technology? What major New York publisher has ever published on German flying discs as opposed to the libraries of books pushing the extraterrestrial UFO hypothesis€”a hypothesis totally lacking in proof? Let me pose the specific question: would Simon and Schuster ever publish a book on the German origins of flying saucers as they did for Col. Corso and his extraterrestrial hypothesis? If not why?

Another question arises from the confirmation of foo fighters by the government. This question concerns the veracity of Renato Vesco who originally placed the topic before us in his Italian edition as early as 1968. The question is this: If Vesco is right about foo fighters, what about the other claims he made about German saucers? Specifically, these are claims made about the further development of the foo fighter technology resulting in a manned saucer project he called “Kugelblitz” (ball-lightning). As well as claiming the Kugelblitz actually flew,Vesco gave us some tantalizing details of the development of German saucer technology by the Anglo-Americans after the war. In view of Vesco’s track record, we can not simply dismiss these claims as has been done in the past. Vesco’s assertions should be borne in mind as further facts become evident.

Finally, there is some small evidence that the Americans did acquire working examples of these foo fighters. If the Americans had captured complete examples of the foo fighter one would expect they would be taken to existing testing facilities in the Southwestern United States and tested as were other examples of captured German technology. This appears to be the case. The Arizona Republic reports a sighting dated July 8, 1947 involving two flying silvery balls which can only be foo fighters.

Foo Fighters

Sources and References

Vesco, Renato, 1976, page 82, Intercept UFO. Pinnacle Books,Inc., 275 Madison Ave, New York, NY. 10016, recently reissued as Man-Made UFOs 1944-1994 by Adventures Unlimited Press
Vesco, Renato, 1976, pages 85-86
ibid
Vesco, Renato, 1976, page 87
United States Air Force, 1944, “An Evaluation Of GermanCapabilities In 1945”, Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama, USA, this and other information related to Phoo Bombs can be found on microfilm rolls A-1007-1652, A-5729-2040
Vesco, Renato, 1976, pages 85-87
Combined Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee Report Number156, “Report On Flugfunk Forschungsinstitut Oberpfaffenhofen F.F.O. Establishments”
ibid
Corso, Phillip J., Col., 1997, page 161, The Day AfterRoswell. Pocket Books, a division of Simon & Schuster Inc.,1230 Avenue of the Americans, New York, NY. 10020
Vesco, Renato, 1976, pages 136-138
Vesco, Renato, 1976, pages 145 and 156
German Research Project, 1999, “German Death Rays Part Two:The German And American Governmental Evidence”, P.O. Box 7, Gorman, CA. 93243-0007 USA
Vesco, Renato, 1976, page 86
Rothkugel, Klaus-Peter, not yet published, page 31, DasGeheimnis der deutschen Flugscheiben

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437 posted on 12/04/2007 4:21:41 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Kevmo

Thanks for the foo-fighter link. Interesting!


438 posted on 12/04/2007 11:15:18 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, June 2004.)
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To: freedomson; Las Vegas Dave; SunkenCiv; Alamo-Girl; airborne; American in Israel; AnimalLover; ...

LATEST ATS GLEANINGS:

PING TO END TIMES DREAMS, VISIONS, LIST REGARDING THE ILLUMINATI ORIGINAL WRITINGS THREAD ABOUT THE 3RD ITEM DOWN

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ONE 1

a 1988 trucker’s UFO abudction experience with drawings:

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318428/pg1

An interesting narrative and drawings.

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TWO 2

UFO VIDEO HAS THIS ONE BEEN DEBUNKED YET:

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319219/pg1

VIDEO LINK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4ywcyqvRmU

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THREE 3

The Original Writings Of The Order And Sect Of The Illuminati document

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread256559/pg1

Not sure what to make of the Italian President claiming such but it’s an interesting thing for such a high ranking national leader:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_knowledge.htm

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FOUR 4

UFO OVER KENT UK YESTERDAY:

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319145/pg1

IMAGE LINK: . . . EVIDENTLY MUCH ENLARGED

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7108/uuuuuuuuuuuuutj0.jpg

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FIVE 5

BURNT FOODS LINKED TO OVARIAN CANCERS ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319282/pg1

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6 SIX

COMET HONDA TO IMPACT EARTH 2011??? ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread236133/pg1

SOLAR SYSTEM VIEWER LINK:

NOTE: CLICK COMETS ON RIGHT LOWER EDGE OF VIEWER WINDOW . . . AND WAIT . . . TAKES SOME TIME TO GET TO 2011. FASCINATING. HONDA ‘NEARLY’ HITS IN 2006.

IN ILLUSTRATION, Honda clearly appears to go through center of earth dot.

http://janus.astro.umd.edu/javadir/orbits/ssv.html

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7 SEVEN

TAMIL HINDU SUICIDE BOMBER CAUGHT ON TAPE. GRAPHIC. WATCH MAN SEATED AT DESK IN LOWER LEFT OF SCREEN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbaEJxuJrA4

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ALIEN ABDUCTIONS N VISITATIONS IN AUSTRALIA ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318541/pg1

UTUBE VIDEO:

PT 1

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pYxJeCRJ2sU

PT 2

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BIlivzMF6sQ&feature=related

REMAINDER LINKS PT 3, 4, 5 available at UTUBE window.

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dats all folks . . . from page one of the ATS most recent posts listing


439 posted on 12/05/2007 3:09:23 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
I'm really enjoying this information.

Hey Quix, if you have a ufo pinglist, I'd like to be on it.

Thanks again.

440 posted on 12/05/2007 6:49:20 AM PST by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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