UFO sightings are no laughing matter, group says

afp ^ | 11/12/07 | afp

[mdittmar]

UFOs may be fodder for comedians and science fiction but there was no joking Monday when a group of pilots and officials demanded the US government reopen an investigation into unidentified flying objects.

The 19 former pilots and government officials, who say they have seen UFOs themselves or been involved in probes of strange flying objects, told reporters their questions can no longer be dismissed more than 30 years after the US case was closed.

"We want the US government to stop perpetuating the myth that all UFOs can be explained away in down-to-earth, conventional terms," said Fife Symington, former governor of Arizona and air force pilot who says he saw a UFO himself in 1997.

"Instead our country needs to reopen its official investigation that it shut down in 1969," Symington told a news conference.

Symington read an appeal on behalf of the group of who came to Washington to recount their sightings of UFOs.

"We believe that for reasons of both national security and flight safety, every country should make an effort to identify any object in its airspace," the statement said.

The group included a retired pilot from Air France who said he saw an enormous flying disc during a flight from Nice to London in 1994, an Iranian pilot who tried in vain to fire on a UFO in 1976 and a former US official from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) who claims a probe into a UFO seen over Alaska in 1987 was squelched.

"'Who believes in UFOs?' is the kind of attitude of the FAA all the time," Symington said.

"However, when I asked the CIA person: 'What do you think it was,' he responded 'a UFO.'"

When Symington suggested the government tell Americans about a UFO, the CIA official allegedly told him: "'No way, if we were to tell the American public there are UFOs they would panic.'"

The subject of UFOs came up in a recent debate among presidential candidates, with Democrat Dennis Kucinich saying he saw a UFO.

Skeptics say UFO sightings are merely aircraft or meteors re-entering the Earth's atmosphere.

[Quix]

More gleanings from ATS this evening . . .

Interesting article by one of ATS founders with crew in Roswell:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318111/pg1

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New bright object next to moon . . . Launch by Japan or China or what?

image 1:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7747/dsc03666kx5.jpg

ATS thread:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread313437/pg1

image 2:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1446/dsc03672hc4.jpg

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ROCKEFELLER INITIATIVE 1993-1996 . . . RESEARCHERS INVOLVED . . . UFO TOPIC . . . a host of documents available

http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/Rockefeller%20Documents/Rockefeller_Initiative_Documents.htm#Sagan

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ATS thread . . . VIDEO of UFO’s purportedly parked on moon . . .

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318172/pg1

VIDEO UTUME LINK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyjFkacU3hk

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NEW PHOTOS of Martian moons:

http://www.universetoday.com/2007/11/27/new-images-of-the-martian-moons-phobos-and-deimos/

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UFOS ABOVE AND BEYOND

YOUTUBE VIDEO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyjFkacU3hk

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NEW UTUBE VIDEOS OF MOON STRUCTURES:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47wwzVaR7IY

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LUNAR SIGHTINGS VOL 1 DREAMLAND MOON STRUCTURES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47wwzVaR7IY

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That’s all for now. Getting sleepy.

Blessings this Christmas season to one and all.

[Quix]

Tonight’s gleanings from ATS:

SOHO image of sun . . . UFO CLUSTER included???

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318454/pg1

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STRANGE CYLINDRICAL SIGHTING IN OK SKIES by ATS members:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread317080/pg1

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member . . . I SAW A UFO [in Alaska]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318271/pg1

I just saw a UFO!!!! I was driving home with my boyfriend and daughter around 10:22pm Alaska time. We were about 1 1/2 miles from my home. Clear skies, beautiful starry night, and Out of nowhere toward the mountains, two lights appear. At first I thought it was a plane so did my boyfriend but then the lights did not appear normal color at all. They were orange. You have to understand, I have 30 hours of flight time, just short of soloing and getting my license, so I know my plane lights. Anyway, I grab my digital binocular camera and what I saw was freaky! There were green lights underneath the object, the surface of the object on the bottom was a dark blackish color. The object was the shape of a Hexagon. I got a pretty good look with the binoculars. It was moving at a steady pace and then it was just gone off in the distance towards Anchorage into the clouds. I am freaked! I have only seen one other UFO out here about 2 years ago and it was not like that....I want to know if anyone in my area saw this...

PS I took a photo with the binoculars, trying to get it downloaded and see if it showed up. I doubt it, my binocular camera does not do good night photos...will post if it showed up

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Mystery invention to save environment???

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/30/mystery-climate-saving-invention-to-be-unveiled-at-swanky-dinne/

Thread on ATS:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318430/pg1

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THE DULCE PAPERS . . . Fact or fiction?

ATS THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread303369/pg1

Links to papers in the thread. Intersting reading even if fiction as many contend.

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[Quix]

How you had a good Thanksgiving, too.

Went to Furrs Cafeteria.

Here’s today’s gleanings from ATS:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdGVI7kJld0

video of the air flow over the top saucer model.

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ARE Firemen being told to report back discontent with gov to DHS?

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Homeland_Security_turns_firefighters_into_domestic_1129.html

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PHOTOGRAPHS OF USS ELDERIDGE DISAPPEARING? Are they real?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread317425/pg1

In June 1943, before it was officially commissioned, the USS Eldridge, DE (Destroyer Escort)-173 was being fitted with tons of experimental electronics equipment. This included two massive generators of 74KVA each, mounted where the forward turret would have been, distributing their power through four magnetic coils mounted on deck. Three RF transmitters (2 magnetic CW each mounted on deck), three thousand ‘6L6’ power amplifier tubes (used to drive the field coils of the two generators), special synchronizing and modulation circuits, and a host of other specialized hardware were employed to generate a massive electromagnetic field which, when properly configured would be able to bend light and radio waves around the ship, thus making it invisible to enemy observers.

The experiment took place at the Philadelphia Naval yards and also at sea. At 0900 hours o July 22nd, 1943 the power to the generators were turned on and the massive electromagnetic field was build up around the ship. A green fog was seen to slowly envelop the ship, concealing it from view. Then the fog it self disappeared, taking the Eldridge with it, leaving only undisturbed water where the ship had been anchored only a few minutes before. To the amazement of the elite officers of the navy, the ship and the crew were not only radar invisible but invisible to the eye as well. After fifteen minutes the generators were shutdown, the greenish fog reappeared and the Eldridge began to dematerialize.

The final test was conducted on the 28th of October 1943 at 17:15. As the electromagnetic field generators were turned on again, the Eldridge became invisible - only a faint outline of the hull remained visible in the water. Everything went as predicted for a few seconds, and then in a blinding flash the ship completely vanished. Within seconds it reappeared miles away in Norfolk, Virginia and was seen for several minutes. Then the Eldridge disappeared from Norfolk and reappeared back in Philadelphia’s naval yard. This time most of the men were violently sick, while some of them were simply “missing never to return”. But the strangest of all were five men who were fused to the metal in the ship’s structures.

from

http://www.geocities.com/exosciences/exo.html#philexp

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water car inventor murdered . . . cheap hydrogen extration from tap water:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread209316/pg1

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alien base photographed by Japanese moon probe?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318530/pg1

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» FOIA Documents » FOIA: Collection of UFO reports between October and November 1949

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread317504/pg1

scanned image in pdf file

http://foia.abovetopsecret.com/clifford_stone/NM_1949/OCT_49/NM_OCT_NOV_1949.pdf

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DULCE BASE FINALLY FOUND?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread233276/pg1

links from thread interestingly are not seeming to work.

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5,000 high res moon pics:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread226113/pg1

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manned mission to venus dated 1967:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318789/pg1

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[Quix]

OOOPS forgot ping to all of my latest ATS gleanings.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Quix.

That earlier link showing a dark spot passing by the Sun... could be a pixel dropout, or it could be an asteroid.

to Venus in 1967:

http://www.galaxiki.org/web/main/_blog/all/did-you-know-that-nasa-planned-a-manned-mission-to-venus-in-1967.shtml

“In the mid 1960’s NASA studied the possibility of carrying out a manned flyby of Venus using hardware derived from the Apollo program.”

“alien base photographed by Japanese moon probe?”

No. Just a bunch of unremarkable craters. But hey, about 40 years ago, in one of those cool men’s adventure pulps (”True” or “Argosy” I’m pretty sure) a surface photo of the lunar far side, taken by a Soviet satellite (first to get there) showed what was described as three or four obelisks from a straight-above perspective. Pretty sure they weren’t. The movie “2001” came out right about then, whadda coincidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell

“Stanley Meyer died at the age of 57 after eating at a restaurant on 21 March 1998. An autopsy report by Franklin County coroner William R. Adrion showed the cause of death to be a cerebral aneurysm.”

Here’s an article about him from 1991:

http://www.angelfire.com/sd/paulkemble/stan4.html

A search on “brown’s gas” will turn up more about the mentioned gas which supposedly melts steel instantly and comes from ordinary water.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

“Water fuelled cars have been mentioned in urban legends since the 1930s. The story is usually that a lone inventor invents an engine that runs on water but the idea is suppressed by either Big Oil or automakers in order to safeguard their profits. Claims for water fuelled power sources are often used to fraudulently extract money from gullible investors.”

and of course, in that category, we still have John Kanzius:

CANCER BREAKTHROUGH?
Arlen Specter seeks to put inventor’s idea on fast track for animal testing
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette | Monday, August 30, 2004 | David Templeton
Posted on 08/30/2004 2:39:39 AM EDT by Main Street
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1202792/posts

Can Water fuel world - [Water Burns! (Energy Crisis solved?)]
WorldNetDaily.com | May 30, 2007 | By Joe Kovacs
Posted on 05/30/2007 6:11:55 PM EDT by freemike
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1842151/posts

re: The Philadelphia Experiment — oddly enough, despite the alleged unexpected result, the second test wasn’t conducted someplace a little more private, nor have any members of the crew ever come forward and described this twice in a lifetime experience.

Anatomy of a Hoax: The Philadelphia Experiment 50 Years Later
By Jacques F. Vallee
http://educate-yourself.org/ab/JSEphilexpSpring94by vallee.shtml
From the Journal of Scientific Exploration, Volume 8, Number 1, Spring, 1994 http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/abstracts/v8n1a2.php

[snip] We were trying to make our ships invisible to magnetic torpedoes, by de-Gaussing them. We had regular radar and also a “micro-radar” of lower frequency. They could detect submarines as soon as they raised their periscopes or came up for air. We could pick them up in the dark or in fog as far as one or two miles away. That’s when the Germans began to lose their U-boats... The Eldridge and the Engstrom were in the harbor together,” he answered. “In fact four ships were outfitted at the same time: the 48, 49, 50 and the Eldridge, in June and July of 1943. The Navy used to de-Gauss all the ships in dry dock, even the merchant ships, otherwise the vessels acted as bar magnets which attracted the magnetic torpedoes.” [end]

[Quix]

Ahhhh welll . . . I guess someone has to have the duty to take the fun out of some fantastical stories!

LOL.

Thanks thanks.

[SunkenCiv]

:’) yeah, just tryin’ to help. ;’)

[Quix]

I figure none of us common folks have sufficient solid info to filter the disinformation out from the facts . . .

and . . .

as stories, many of them are entertaining.

Besides . . . in brain storming, even crazy, off the wall ideas can trigger solid ideas.

I figure in such ball parks as these fantastical stories are in . . .

who knows when some solid puzzle pieces will tumble out of crazy stories.

[ladyjane]

The poor kitty cat does not look happy. Poor kitty.

[Kevmo]

I certainly consider the above true or largely true.
***Then what is the harm in discussing the differences? Is it more likely that aliens traversed the galaxy with superduper technology that would be thousands of years ahead of our own, only to crash in 1947 in Roswell or is it more likely that a military experiment crashed near a military base and was covered up by military personnel?

[Quix]

Not necessarily either.

And, I do not think

that even Vesco

necessarily had SUFFICIENT percentages of info; of a vision of the whole; of sufficient perspective . . .

to make the conclusions he seems to have reached

so emphatic.

And your degree of adament certainty is also mind bogglingly fierce given what has to be great gaping wholes in the data.

Also, perspectives which seem to be overly . . . rushed to certainty . . .

AND

overly rushed to overweening haughtiness, smug arrogance . . .

are more than a little off-putting.

They don’t tend to entertain me.
They don’t tend to attract me.
They don’t tend to generate great examples of my typical patience.
They don’t tend to amuse me.
They don’t tend to intrigue me very significantly.

You seem convinced that you have a collection of air-tight tidy little boxes.

And virtually every one of your posts . . . at least 95+% of them seem to me, to be speaking from a perspective that is not only seriously flawed from my perspective but also rife with not a shred of insight nor any hint of any future openness to any insight which might indicate any crack in the fiercely convinced edifice that there are no flaws in the perspective.

Given that, I really don’t care to discuss much of anything from such an attitude and such a perspective.

Nevertheless, in answer yet again to your question . . .

No.

I don’t see it that way at all.

There are more possibilities. And given the hard concrete certainty attitude of the man only perspective as demonstrated in your posts . . . I can’t imagine that

any

discussion with much of any aspect of such would have more than a gnat’s fart’s worth of interest or fun for me.

I don’t know that I’ve been crystal clear.

But perhaps one can get the drift.

[Cvengr]

I’ve had some recent coworkers of fairly reputable, non-emotional natures, confide to a couple of others that they witnessed one here recently. Hearsay is that about 5 saw it. Apparently it seemed cloaked/camouflaged/invisible in the sky except for adjacent light bending around it. Sort of like Predator in the the Schwarzenegger movie. The craft also moved in jerks across the sky, about the size of a large helicopter over a SW US military base not known for classified air ops. Reportedly observed during daylight hours.

Do you recall any studies on aircraft transportation which moves in a ‘jerky’ fashion, like quantum time steps, but the entire craft displaces a vehicle length in those quanta, rather than continuous motion?

[Quix]

i DON’T recall the refs at all . . .

but it seems to me that there are lots of reports of

jerky transits across the sky

as well as

falling leaf sorts of flight characteristics.

The cloaking also sounds somewhat famiiliar.

And, the size sounds familiar.

I wonder what the feelings in the folks intuitive parts were during the sighting.

Or if believers . . . what their discernment was in their spirits.

Thanks.

[WorkingClassFilth]

Now, Quix, you know me...

If you really want to know what I think, this pretty much says it all:

“The subject of UFOs came up in a recent debate among presidential candidates, with Democrat Dennis Kucinich saying he saw a UFO.”

Need I say more?

[Quix]

NOTE: I DO !!NOT!! AGREE with everyting on such threads. I do find the various topics fascinating. So, for those of similar bent . . .

DR E—SCROLL DOWN to NWO link, please.

LATEST GLEANINGS FROM ATS . . .

VERY fascinating cell phone video of UFO with several different analyses video sequences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsCgd-nlidc

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sharpest image ever of spiral galaxy M81 800MB

http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/original/heic0710a.tif

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HOW TO MAKE THE PEOPLE WANT THE NWO

ATS THREAD:

Not that I believe or agree with everything on the thread. But it’s an interesting topic.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318658/pg1

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MICHIGAN SIGHTING with drawings:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318932/pg1

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Several links to Costa Rica UFO

Thread:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread318815/pg1

other link:

http://www.analuisacid.com/teletica_ovni.htm

Video and analysis photos

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list of potentially hazardous asteroids PHA’s thread with other links in the thread first post:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread319037/pg1

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POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES: THE PLAN TO DESTROY AMERICA:

THREAD:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread307545/pg1

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For those fascinated with such . . . enjoy.

[SunkenCiv]

Quix, you agree with everything on such threads, don’t ya? ;’) /tease

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Thanks, Q. Looks interesting.

[Las Vegas Dave]

I took this digital photo in Vegas from the Paris casino pool area in July 2004.

http://www.jerrypippin.com/UFO%20Paris%20Hotel%20Las%20Vegas%20enhanced.jpg

and

http://www.jerrypippin.com/UFO%20Paris%20Hotel%20Las%20Vegas.jpg

The 35mm prints show more detail.

[Quix]

Some people seem to think so.

And, I do . . . often enough . . . bend over backwards trying to give the benefit of the doubt . . . and seeing how far that goes and what the implications might be and if any puzzle pieces of interest can be shaken loose thereby.

But I’m not near the idiot so many think I am.

Though I don’t care that much if some idiots think I’m as dumb as they are. Easier to keep out of my hair, then.

[Quix]

Sure. Thanks for saying so.