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The FACTS in this column are hard to argue with, especially if you take a few minutes to follow the facts to their natural conclusion via the sources named in the column.

If Republicans want a nominee selected and funded by voters who normally support leftist Democrats, Ron Paul is your guy...

But if Republicans want a Republican nominated by Republicans to run against Hillary, it's time to put an end to the Ron Paul campaign...

1 posted on 11/11/2007 12:39:36 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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if allowed to continue, he will take votes away from the most conservative Republican candidates in the party, not the most liberal. This is bad for the party and the country.

If the above is true, the author's premise about Paul being supported by leftists and leftist libertarians and liberals is seriously challenged. I'm not sure he can have it both ways. I think the above is true. Thompson and Trancredo are viewed by many Paul supporters, in my personel experience, as being the only other Republicans they can say some kind words about.

The only Republicans we find in his campaign are those myopic small government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like spending habits.

only? lol I think there is a big number of these, and they account for the majority of Paul's support, IMO. Various internet polls of Paul supporters indicate 2-3-4:1:1 R I D
71 posted on 11/11/2007 1:30:18 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: George W. Bush

You might want to ping the list, as this article appears to base much of its information off of the testimonies of Eric Dondero...who, if I recall from earlier this year, was shown to be a suspect source of information.


87 posted on 11/11/2007 1:44:28 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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"Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much of Ron Paul’s money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or Republicans. Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, “Ron Paul is only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans.”


Apparently, a more thorough investigation is in order. A good deal of the grass roots organizing for the Ron Paul campaign is coming from rank and file members of the Republican Liberty Caucus, which is the libertarian group within the GOP. The local groups seem to almost shut down any activity not associated with the Ron Paul campaign. Below is from an RLC discussion board and is a response to a poster who was upset that the RLC had not formerly endorsed Ron Paul:

RLC and the Ron Paul campaign II
On November 2nd, 2007 pblumel says:

Joe, I recently called EVERY chartered state affiliate of the Republican Liberty Caucus to see check on activity regarding Ron, among other things. Without exception, every RLC affiliate is mobilized for Ron -- even in those states (there are two or three) where the leadership is split on the question! RLCers were among the first to form Meetups in Florida where I live and, frankly, most all RLC activity nationwide has come to a halt outside of Paul campaigning. This is quite natural, as Ron was the national chairman of this explicitly libertarian Republican organization which has always endorsed and funded Ron's Congressional races! Effectively, the RLC is an extension of the Ron Paul campaign much like the Meetups with which the RLC is intertwined. For legal reasons, this is not and cannot be official. Additionally, the national RLC by-laws make a presidential endorsement nearly impossible. In spite of this it might happen anyway. Just last week, the Florida RLC excom became the latest to nominate Ron for the national RLC endorsement. I, too, have met an RLCer here and there who is not on board the Paul train. This is not a reflection on the RLC. In fact, these folks are natural prospects for the Ron campaign and we should reach out to them. Check out www.rlcfl.org for some recent Florida RLC activity on behalf of Ron. To join, see: http://www.rlc.org/Pay/Dues.asp?ref....
90 posted on 11/11/2007 1:48:19 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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Ron Paul embraces the nutroots.
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He voted against the Patriot Act.
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He voted against the Iraq war.
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95 posted on 11/11/2007 1:57:50 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Ron Paul is the new Lyndon LaRouche.

Whack job.


97 posted on 11/11/2007 1:59:32 PM PST by Hammerhead
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if allowed to continue

Who can stop him? I mean he filled out the appropriate paperwork is raising money and somebody is going to get rid of him???? I have no use for Ron Paul but this article is crazy when the writer says “If Ron Paul is allowed to continue” Duncan Hunter 2008. The best for America!!!


116 posted on 11/11/2007 2:19:11 PM PST by napscoordinator
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According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul’s top contributor is well known internet giant Google...with Al Gore on the board of directors...

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Among Ron Paul’s top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco (94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer, and Los Angeles – Long Beach, which is his second largest donor area after Dallas. What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle.

This is why his fund-raising is not translating to improved poll positions

His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises, it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter how much money he raises.

I've been saying this on this board for two months now, much to the derision of the Pauline Apostles and others. I'm glad that someone else is finally catching on...

117 posted on 11/11/2007 2:19:13 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (“We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!” --Duncan Hunter)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
he will take votes away from the most conservative Republican candidates in the party, not the most liberal

How is Ron Paul going to "take votes away" from conservative candidates that are supposedly much better than him?

He's going to fool them? Republican primary voters are stupid? I don't get it.

120 posted on 11/11/2007 2:25:15 PM PST by mhx
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“those myopic small government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like spending habits.”

That describes about 75% of the rank and file of the Republican Party. I guess we are “myopic”, because we don’t like big government, the falling dollar, and possible national bankruptcy.

This is one of the silliest articles I have read this year.

How do the author and his acolytes intend to “put an end” the Ron Paul campaign? Do they intend, Al-Gore-style, to repeatedly defame all of Paul’s supporters? So far it hasn’t worked very well. Hopefully the Paul campaign will end in the only reasonable way; by the voters listening carefully to all of the arguments, and then choosing the best alternative for the country. I am confident that the best alternative for the country will be the Republican nominee for President, whoever that turns out to be. It very likely won’t be Ron Paul, but if it is, he will have my support against the Clinton/Obama ticket.


166 posted on 11/11/2007 3:08:52 PM PST by devere
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Practice saying “President Paul”!


169 posted on 11/11/2007 3:15:16 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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"We want Paul! We want Paul!"


171 posted on 11/11/2007 3:16:57 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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This comes to no surprise. Ron Paul is the only unqualified Republican candidate. As a Conservative Republican, I know a RINO (Republican In Name Only) when I see one and Ron Paul fits that description. Paul keeps saying he’s an “Antiwar Republican”, which is funny because there is no such thing. Republicans know when it’s necessary to defend the country. Second, he’s a Libertarian. Libertarians are not Conservatives they are Liberal sociably, though it is fair to say that some are Right leaning, but most lean to the Left and that is defenitely the case with Ron Paul. Paul is part of the “Blame America First” crowd and is hurting Conservatives by hurting the GOP. The other Republican candidates are all qualified to be president. They would all make great leaders because they are true Conservatives who are supported by true Conservative Republicans, unlike Ron Paul who is just a knat.


184 posted on 11/11/2007 3:34:30 PM PST by YoungCorps
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Libertarians have always had their own constituency. Look at the consistent popularity of Ayn Rand’s work. It can’t just be a Democratic subterfuge campaign.

I’m not necessarily a Paul supporter, but I’m often surprised at the opposition to him on this site.

Aren’t the other GOP candidates jokers themselves?


209 posted on 11/11/2007 4:02:54 PM PST by TFine80 (The 1994 Revolution Petered Out.... So Let's Try Again and Do It Right!)
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Yep.


235 posted on 11/11/2007 4:44:08 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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Do you think Paul could beat Hillary?

266 posted on 11/11/2007 5:29:19 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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Dangerous?

You've GOT to be kidding. You must have missed the picture I recently obtained of a high-level Ron Paul for President strategy session.

Do these people look dangerous to you?

Hank

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333 posted on 11/11/2007 7:31:37 PM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball (Well, really just plain Hank Kimball. Well, not "just plain" Hank Kimball, just Hank Kimball....)
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...it's time to put an end to the Ron Paul campaign...

uhh... and just how, pray tell, do you intend/propose to do this?

343 posted on 11/11/2007 7:55:03 PM PST by buckleyfan (WFB, save us!)
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The FACTS in this column are hard to argue with

ROFL! There is no facts in this drivel of an article. I read it at work today and knew some FReeper would jerk his/her knee posting this garbage and all the bashers would crawl out of their rocks to post their ad-hominems and jpegs.

Meanwhile, Paul just crossed over $8 million in fundraising. He's already two-thirds of his 4Q goal and November ain't even half over yet. BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!

374 posted on 11/11/2007 9:25:31 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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The FACTS in this column are easy to argue with. Cool thread!

With the primaries slated to begin in weeks, and the general election less than a year off, this could be an election of historical proportions.

The author of this article, JB Williams, cited polls as the basis of his claims. It is appropriate to address polls.

Throughout the course of this decade, I’ve asked all the established public polling establishments if they had ever conducted a poll of only voters that say they are Independents, or Independent leaning. Their answers were always no, and the reason given was that either they were contracted to conduct polls for the Democrat Party, the Republican Party, or they were contracted by a third party, such as a news media company, and told to conduct the polls with only Democrats and Republicans.

The last year has seen the fortunes of the Republican Party slip if Independents were considered a separate political entity. Thirty-six percent of voters say they are Democrats or Democrat leaning, 27% saying they are Republican or Republican leaning, and 24% said they were Independents or Independent leaning.

Coupled to that poll is a poll from September this year in which voters of all political parties were asked if the Democrats and Republicans do an adequate job representing the American people, or is a New Third Party needed. Thirty-nine percent of voters polled said Democrats and Republicans do an adequate job of representing the American people. An astounding 57% said the two parties do not adequately represent the American people, AND a third major party is needed. With as many as 125 million voters expected to go to the polls in 2008, 57% would represent over 71 million voters, and more than enough to defeat the Democratic-Republican political dynasty.

Of the current third parties on the national scene, both the very conservative Constitution Party, and the Libertarian Party, are expected to introduce motions to back the candidacy of Representative Ron Paul, essentially both drafting him as their party presidential candidate. If Ron Paul did launch an Independent campaign, his name could appear three times on the same General Election ballot in some states.

I don’t think for a moment that Ron Paul can win the Republican Party nomination. Currently, Rudy Giuliani holds the top spot in polls of Republicans at 29%, Fred Thompson in a distant second at 19%, and all remaining Republican candidates under 15%. With 27% of voters nationwide saying they are Republican, or Republican leaning, Rudi has a solid and dismal 9% of popular support nationwide.

On the Democratic side, Hillary Clinton is supported by 45% of Democrats, with Barack Obama in the second spot at 22%. With 36% of voters nationwide saying they are Democrats, or Democrat leaning, Hillary is supported by an unimpressive solid 16-17% of the voting population.

Another interesting development in the 2008 election is that if held today, both the Democratic Party and Republican Party will have very liberal presidential candidates. Their shared theme could be “Our liberal is better than your liberal”.

I can only sit and watch the 2008 election develop at this point as I am registered as “Decline to State”, and cannot participate in the partisan primaries. I will be watching with great interest. The 2008 election could be the historic turning point where the majority of Americans throw-off the two powerful, special interest owned and operated political parties.

382 posted on 11/11/2007 9:50:33 PM PST by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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That doesn’t make much sense to me.

How can the hard core anti war leftest candidate take away more conservative votes than liberal votes?

398 posted on 11/11/2007 11:12:43 PM PST by DB
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