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The FACTS in this column are hard to argue with, especially if you take a few minutes to follow the facts to their natural conclusion via the sources named in the column.

If Republicans want a nominee selected and funded by voters who normally support leftist Democrats, Ron Paul is your guy...

But if Republicans want a Republican nominated by Republicans to run against Hillary, it's time to put an end to the Ron Paul campaign...

1 posted on 11/11/2007 12:39:36 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: SJackson; Allegra; lormand; Petronski; ejonesie22; mnehrling; drpix

Look-out-this-is-gonna-attract-the-swarm PING! ;)


2 posted on 11/11/2007 12:41:02 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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The guy can’t even poll 5%. He’s meaningless. He has a lot of kooks who spam and send him money but when it comes to actual national numbers he loses to a joke campaign by a liberal entertainer. By the time the candidates are chosen he will be nothing but an embarrassing memory and a trivia question. Don’t sweat the nutburger.
3 posted on 11/11/2007 12:43:25 PM PST by joebuck
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I guess nobody else feels the way I do about Ron Paul's candidacy...but I've always felt that his poll numbers and contributions were being driven by Democrats, not Republicans.

He gives instructions on his website on how to re-register to vote in the Republican primaries.

When I was in Pueblo yesterday, there were people in lawn chairs at every busy intersection in town with "Ron Paul" signs.

Pueblo is the second largest Democrat stronghold in Colorado.

5 posted on 11/11/2007 12:45:33 PM PST by moondoggie
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BS, unless you define the most conservative voters and being actually the most liberal, that isn’t happening.

In any case, he will not get nominated and will go away in the real main election. So I do not believe he wants to be the next Ross Perot.

6 posted on 11/11/2007 12:46:22 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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I’m pretty sure the majority of Paul’s funding comes from perturbed libertarians.

And even if leftists do contribute to his campaign, it seems like they would be working against their interests, since Paul’s view of government is completely antithetical to liberal leftist ideology.


10 posted on 11/11/2007 12:48:51 PM PST by Tears of a Clown
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Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much of Ron Paul’s money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or Republicans.

Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, “Ron Paul is only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans.”

According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul’s top contributor is well known internet giant Google. Google, with Al Gore on the board of directors, has a long history of progressive political activism, both in the way they censor search results to bury conservative slanted stories, and in their campaign contribution habits, which is solidly Democrat, with the exception of Ron Paul.

Like Howard Dean before him, Ron Paul first grabbed headlines with his very hi-tech internet campaign, which is now easily explained by the fact that his largest constituency is in the computer tech community. It also explains how Paul supporters have perfected the art of “spamming” or “jamming” online polls, creating a false impression of bigger support while invalidating poll after poll. Other tech giants like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well.

Among Ron Paul’s top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco (94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer, and Los Angeles – Long Beach, which is his second largest donor area after Dallas.

What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle.

This is why his fund-raising is not translating to improved poll positions.

His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises, it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter how much money he raises.


11 posted on 11/11/2007 12:49:14 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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Man, you opened up a can of worm. Hang on, this is going to fun.


15 posted on 11/11/2007 12:52:29 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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I disagree that Paul is going to have much influence over who is going to be the eventual Republica nominee.

However, I’d much rather Democrats and other leftists waste their money by sending to Ron Paul. Leaves less for Hillary!.


16 posted on 11/11/2007 12:52:33 PM PST by Doohickey (Giuliani: Brokeback Republican)
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How odd. According to this site, Paul is irrelevant yet dangerous. I wonder how that can be....


23 posted on 11/11/2007 12:56:04 PM PST by Nate505
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Ping! ;)


30 posted on 11/11/2007 12:58:46 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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He’s only dangerous if he tars Republicans with the old racist/antisemite tag. As to actual votes, he rarely exceeds the margin of error in any poll. If conservatives votes are split in the primary, it’s a function of multiple quality candidates, all but Guiliani. Paul won’t be a factor, and a 3rd party run will likely draw as much from the left as the right, particularly if a reborn pro-war Hillary is the nominee.


36 posted on 11/11/2007 1:01:53 PM PST by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Facts or assumptions?


41 posted on 11/11/2007 1:04:53 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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After 10 years of freeping, it's really sad to see so many neocons upset about the growing number of young, netwise Republicans who are wildly excited about a dark horse candidate who preaches limited govt and a return to basic constitutional values. How does hate and anger help the cause/help the party? C'mon, folks, the elephant has a big tent, room for everybody here... there are young people all over the country who are getting involved and showing up at Republican events this year because of Ron Paul, instead of mouthing the tired socialist pablum we so often see at college campuses near an election year. Like it or not, there is a contingent of Liberty lovers in the Republican Party, and their ability to recruit younger folks should be valued and appreciated, not ran out of town on a rail of derision. If you disagree with their goals (drug legalization, pullback of troops, etc), at least recognize the value of their method: use the constitution as a guiding light, reduce govt, reduce taxes.

At least those kids aren't out there waving Mao and Che posters.
44 posted on 11/11/2007 1:05:30 PM PST by Mudcat (What would Reagan do?)
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He can't take votes from Hunter or Tancredo!

If the Pubes nominate ~~"same as all the rest"~~(R), then we get what we deserve, a lib by another name!

If we get some REAL rock ribs on the ticket, the left will melt under their own divisions.

52 posted on 11/11/2007 1:11:14 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (The standard measuring unit for human feces.One katiecouric is aproximately2 1/2 pounds of excrement)
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If a screwball like RP is a threat to anyone or anything, tough for them/that.


59 posted on 11/11/2007 1:19:59 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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I saw a group of five or so people on an overpass in LA yesterday with Ron Paul signs. Their overall age looked to be 13 years old--oh, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say 14, but that is the highest. Before I saw the signs I just saw a small group of obnoxious looking white kids standing on the ledge looking as though they were up to no good. This was the attitude emanating from them.

Tells me a lot about what sort of support this guy is getting and by whom. 14 year olds . . . they can't even vote. There was not one adult. Wonder how much they were paid.

60 posted on 11/11/2007 1:22:10 PM PST by GOP Poet
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google paulistinian /;!}


61 posted on 11/11/2007 1:22:52 PM PST by listenhillary (You get more of what you focus on)
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There is a problem with this guys assumptions. Using his idea that a donor’s Zip code equates with their political leanings is simplisticly foolish and easily refutable.

http://opensecrets.org/2000elect/geog/P00003335.htm

There, the EXACT SAME argument, even using the same zip codes and metro areas, could have been used to attempt to discredit George Bush in the 2000 election.

(More simply, wealthy people who donate to campaigns don’t want to live in the cornfields of western Nebraska.)

Let me state that Eric Dondero is a good guy, and his opinion carries some weight regarding Paul’s mental state. That is disturbing.


64 posted on 11/11/2007 1:26:49 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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If Republicans want a nominee selected and funded by voters who normally support leftist Democrats, Ron Paul is your guy...

But if Republicans want a Republican nominated by Republicans to run against Hillary, it's time to put an end to the Ron Paul campaign...


I don't for a moment think that the supporters of Paul will be sufficiently large enough to even come close to winning the Republican nomination. Even a quote from your posted article tells you who the majority of them are. The remaining voters will be the normal GOP voters/independents etc and will elect the candidate whether Paul and his group or there are not.... Never the less in 52 days we'll see the selection process begin to play out.....
67 posted on 11/11/2007 1:28:47 PM PST by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 52 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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At first, I assumed, and had even written, that Ron Paul’s financial support was coming from the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party. Then I was corrected by former Ron Paul aide and founder of the Libertarian Republican Caucus, Eric Dondero, who also founded MainstreamLibertarian.com and hosts blogtalk radio show Libertarian Politics Live.

LOL, JB Williams getting his facts from Dondero. Well that's a valid source...

Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much of Ron Paul’s money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or Republicans.

And he provides zip codes as 'evidence'. Wow, JB didn't know conservatives could only live in the certain zip codes. You've convinced me!!!

But if Republicans want a Republican nominated by Republicans to run against Hillary, it's time to put an end to the Ron Paul campaign...

Yep because the absolutely last thing the Republican party can stand for is liberty and freedom.

You know this isn't even a good hit piece. What's Mr. Williams day job?

69 posted on 11/11/2007 1:29:39 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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