Posted on 10/18/2007 2:47:12 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
1080I REMINDER BUMP. ;-)
While it may be hard to notice the difference on a standard living room television, 32" or so, very easy to see the difference when you get up to 50".
The Blockbuster decision is the first major battle in this war. It may not be Gettysburg, but it is at least Shiloh.
There is no huge advantage to upgarding to HD-DVD when Blu-Ray only costs a little more. The industry in which I work sells to both types of replicators. While we aren't the only one in the business, we are one of the largest. So the sales by type of replicator which I see everyday offer more than a few clues to which direction the HD-DVD & Blu-Ray wars are heading.
Don’t forget 1080p, my 1080i went to the bedroom, now the big deal is 1080p/24, don’t ask.
hile it may be hard to notice the difference on a standard living room television, 32” or so, very easy to see the difference when you get up to 50”.
The Blockbuster decision is the first major battle in this war. It may not be Gettysburg, but it is at least Shiloh.
There is no huge advantage to upgarding to HD-DVD when Blu-Ray only costs a little more. The industry in which I work sells to both types of replicators. While we aren’t the only one in the business, we are one of the largest. So the sales by type of replicator which I see everyday offer more than a few clues to which direction the HD-DVD & Blu-Ray wars are heading.
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Nothing personal, really, but, STOP.
You have been so wrong with just about everything you have said in your 2 posts that it’s not even funny, or even close to being correct.
Blockbuster is not exclusive to blu-ray, never has been and likely never will be, and their support for blu-ray sent zero shockwaves anywhere. I rent blu-rays and HD-DVD’S at my local Blockbuster, both Blockbuster online and Net Flix have a large selection of both Hi-Def formats.
There is a ton of factors that go into what a movie looks like on either format, the same movie can look like CRAP on one format and STUNNING on the other.
NOT EVEN THE BIGGEST FANBOYS make the crazy claims you’re making.
They are both great formats, GOD HIMSELF can not tell which is “better” with the naked eye because one ISN’T “better” than the other no matter what you say. Anyone with any knowledge will agree that your 2 posts are from someone either : A. A Big Sony Fanboy B. Repeating nonsense and FUD someone told him C. Someone totally just talking out of his arse with ZERO knowledge.
I have both formats, they’re both great and worth owning they both have their strong points and weaknesses, their’s not a dime’s worth a difference between the 2.
PLEASE - noting personal, but I will not buy anything from Toshiba after they sold restricted milling machinery to the USSR to quiet their subs in the 1980’s.
And when I get Guitar Hero III with my wireless controller I’ll be a HD Transformer watching / Halo 3 playin / Wireless Guitar God
You could always get a Les Paul and a Peavy Amp.
Just saying...
BTW... How do Spiderman 1, 2, and 3 look on HD DVD? Oh yeah... that is another deadly weakness of HD DVD... No Snow White... No Mickey Mouse... at least you do have Transformers to watch... but then it is a truncated offering... but you can buy Transformer marketed products online with that nifty interactivity thing.
I hope you enjoy surprises... I think you will be surprised by this time next year. We will have to wait and see.
LLS
You can find HUNDREDS of advocates for BOTH SIDES at AVS.
I have BOTH formats and enjoy both.
YOU ARE A BLU-RAY CHEERLEADER, splitting the same hairs, parsing the same nonsense. It’s people like you who ruin AVS, it used to be a great forum, now all of a sudden there’s 1000 technical geniuses.
Spiderman movies aren’t very good but remember I OWN BLU-RAY too, I’m not stuck watching only one format or arguing for one format LIKE YOU.
Yes, bitrate means nothing, not every film is coded the same way, your argument is totally worthless.
You, (and the HD-DVD fanboys like you) make me sick, people like you have brought down the AVS forum to the level of video game fan boys. It’s not a discusssion about currrent/future capabilities and enjoyment of the format, it’s silly fanboys with their silly rallying cries of “Good Enough” etc., PATHETIC
I can afford both formats and they both have delivered amazing home movie experiences. I want blu-ray AND HD-DVD to get better and better to entertain ME.
How someone can be a big hd movie fan and not have both is puzzling to me. Maybe some of you guys were never on a team sport or something that only now do you take up arms. If you love video games how can you love Playstation and hate X-Box????? It’s just as childish. This is what people like you have reduced home theatre to, congratulations.
Having been on the losing end of format wars before I and many others refuse to become the willing pawns of others. http://www.oppodigital.com/dv981hd/dv981hd_index.html
It is the best upconverting DVD player on the market and it does a fantastic job turning regular DVD's into near 1080p HI Definition quality. Don't take my word for it, here are some upconverted screen shots I took off of our Sony Pearl 1080p projector and 100" Stewart Firehawk SST screen. They speak for themselves, enjoy:
http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u166/Jmouse007/
If the picture is that good on a 100" screen think how good it will look on your 50" HDTV :o)
Like I said, save your money, invest in an OPPO 981, sit back and enjoy your extensive DVD library all over again. Believe me it is like seeing them for the first time, the image quality is that good. Let the numbbots beat their brains out and spend their money fighting over Bluray and HDDVD. When the dust settles, someone is going to lose the war and a lot of money and it won't be me, or you if you are smart.
OPPO 981
Having been on the losing end of format wars before I and many others refuse to become the willing pawns of others.
Do yourself a favor, save your money and buy an OPPO 981 upconverting DVD player:
http://www.oppodigital.com/dv981hd/dv981hd_index.html
It is the best upconverting DVD player on the market and it does a fantastic job turning regular DVD's into near 1080p HI Definition quality. Don't take my word for it, here are some upconverted screen shots I took off of our Sony Pearl 1080p projector and 100" Stewart Firehawk SST screen. They speak for themselves, enjoy:
http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u166/Jmouse007/
If the picture is that good on a 100" screen think how good it will look on your 50" HDTV :o)
Like I said, save your money, invest in an OPPO 981, sit back and enjoy your extensive DVD library all over again. Believe me it is like seeing them for the first time, the image quality is that good. Let the numbbots beat their brains out and spend their money fighting over Bluray and HDDVD. When the dust settles, someone is going to lose the war and a lot of money and it won't be me, or you if you are smart.
OPPO 981
Do yourself a favor, save your money and buy an OPPO 981 upconverting DVD player:
http://www.oppodigital.com/dv981hd/dv981hd_index.html
It is the best upconverting DVD player on the market and it does a fantastic job turning regular DVD's into near 1080p HI Definition quality. Don't take my word for it, here are some upconverted screen shots I took off of our Sony Pearl 1080p projector and 100" Stewart Firehawk SST screen. They speak for themselves, enjoy:
http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u166/Jmouse007/
If the picture is that good on a 100" screen think how good it will look on your 50" HDTV :o)
There are tons of people who have your oppo player, it’s a good player and does a good job upconverting.
They can buy a PS3 for 400 w/5 free blu-rays, and/or a Toshiba A2 for 200 with 5 free hd-dvd’s and have just as good or better upconversion as your oppo AND the ability to watch hd movies, no contest.
For 500 the Toshiba XA2 is generally considered the best upconverter of them all in addition to being a hd-dvd player.
Why tell people to wait for a war that most likely will never end and currently has no end in sight? If you want to get in cheap you get the A2 with 5 free movies, it’s like you’re only paying 75 for the player. It’s not like your 200 dollar investment is going to explode if blu-ray wins, your 400 dollar ps3 isn’t going to explode either if hd-dvd wins. You’ll still have your movies and player, companies are making dual players now too.
If you have a hi-def TV you are NOT seeing it at it’s OPTIMUM if you don’t have blu-ray or hd-dvd. Also you DO NOT have to buy 100-125 monster hdmi cables either, monoprice and blue jean cables have hdmi cables for less than 10 dollars (yes, they’re just as good, people with 25K + theatres use them, no need to waste money)
They’re BOTH here to stay.
They’re getting cheaper, it’s safe to buy either or both, there is no superior format, no better picture.
Hop in to Blu-Ray and HD-DVD folks, feed your HDTV the very best.
In general, do HDTV prices (specifically, LCD’s) lower before Christmas, or after?
Like I saiud, I refuse to become a pawn of the format war. It is not going to last forever, they NEVER have and one of the formats WILL LOSE, leaving multitudes of people with obsolete product. No the OPPO 981 is not true HD, but it is close and for now, anyone buying into the HD format war is wasting their money. As it is HDDVD already proved it is incapable of delivering everything TRUE HD audio and video has to offer. The latest TRANSFORMERS HDDVD is proof of that. The audio is limited because the format does not have enough space to put true HD audio on the disk. No thanks, I and multitudes of others will wait for the war to end before sinking hard earned money into next gen DVD.
M$AVS started it’s downhill slide over three years ago. I have never been antagonistic on M$AVS. I have been a member since 1999... how long have you been a member? I was a supporting member too... until M$ made my money unnecessary... M$ and amir mohammad are the responsible parties... them and people like you... yapping yard dogs schilling for Toshiba and M$. Well BR did not have to PAY Paramount 150 Million Dollars for 6 months of unique support... 5 catalog titles and a crippled Transformers!
Your statement on bandwidth shows you know NOTHING! Get off WIDE BANDWIDTH DSL OR CABLE... and go back to a narrow bandwidth of 56k dialup. It makes no difference! What unmitigated BS. CEE YA! HD DUD is losing now... it will be gone in the next 24 months... dead as Divx!
LLS
If I were a betting man, I'd bet you are right.
If I were forced to choose a winner, I'd pick Blu Ray.
Bottom line is that even if or when one emerges as a winner, the market saturation at this point is so much that it will take at least 10 years for the other to go away.
Up until three years ago, we didn't own a DVD player and were watching movies on VHS. We're still watching movies on VHS. Players in dual format are still being manufactured and sold . . . and what are we now . . . over a decade after the first standard DVD was sold?
Like I saiud, I refuse to become a pawn of the format war. It is not going to last forever, they NEVER have and one of the formats WILL LOSE, leaving multitudes of people with obsolete product. No the OPPO 981 is not true HD, but it is close and for now, anyone buying into the HD format war is wasting their money. As it is HDDVD already proved it is incapable of delivering everything TRUE HD audio and video has to offer. The latest TRANSFORMERS HDDVD is proof of that. The audio is limited because the format does not have enough space to put true HD audio on the disk. No thanks, I and multitudes of others will wait for the war to end before sinking hard earned money into next gen DVD.
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Obsolete product? Each format will play HD movies on your tv for many, many, many years into the future.
By most everyone’s account the Audio on Transformers is FREAKIN’ AMAZING, since it’s not in a “lossless” format (which means nothing to 90% of the folks here on FR - AND many sound mixers can’t tell the difference between DD+ and lossless)it’s not good right? Ridiculous, what about a lossless audio title that doesn’t sound great, or isn’t an action movie with explosions, etc. Not every title is an audio feast. Does the audio on Transformsers sound like crap? How do rate it 1-10, have you listened to it? Most everyone rated it 8-10, even blu-ray lovers, so how is it “incomplete”, it isn’t. I guess if it was in true hd it would have given it’s owners a back rub? The audio is likely better than 99.9 of the standard dvd’s you’re watching now on your oppo.
For 200 dollars you can have a HD-DVD player and 7 free movies, what are you going to “lose” if HD-DVD goes under 2 years from now?? You still have the player, 7 movies, hundreds of others to buy and rent.
For 400 dollars you can have a ps3 and 5 free movies and it plays games and other things, you don’t “lose” anything here either.
Meanwhile you’re not watching ANYTHING in HD or listetning to ANYTHING in HD audio!!!! Don’t deny yourself and others the HD experience.
By the way, they can buy either player THAT UPCONVERT JUST AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN YOU’RE OPPO!! you’re recommending. The only person recommending an outdated, obsolete product is.....YOU!!!
You’re telling them, no get an upconverting dvd player, it’s almost as good as 1080i, NOT EVEN CLOSE, the best upconverted discs look good but it’s only a few and still not even close.
You’re OPPO is obsolete, thousands of guys have moved them to their bedrooms and given them to their kids because their blu-ray or HD-DVD player upconverts regular dvd’s better.
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