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'Black people are less intelligent than whites', claims DNA pioneer (James Watson)
Daily Mail ^ | 10/17/07

Posted on 10/17/2007 1:36:52 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

'Black people are less intelligent than whites', claims DNA pioneer

One of the world's most eminent scientists is at the centre of a row after claiming black people are less intelligent than whites.

James Watson, who won the Nobel Prize for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, has drawn condemnation for comments made ahead of his arrival in Britain tomorrow for a speaking tour.

Dr Watson, who now runs one of America's leading scientific research institutions, made the controversial remarks in an interview in The Sunday Times.

The 79-year-old geneticist said he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really".

He said he hoped that everyone was equal, but countered that "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true".

He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.

He includes his views in a new book, published this week, in which he writes that "there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically".

"Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so," he says.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission is now studying Dr Watson's remarks "in full".

Dr Watson arrives in Britain to promote his latest book, Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science.

Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, told the Independent: "It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments.

"I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson's personal prejudices. These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exist at the highest professional levels."

Dr Watson was hailed as achieving one of the greatest single scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s, forming part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA.

He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.

He has served for 50 years as a director of the Cold Spring Harbour Laboratory on Long Island, considered a world leader in research into cancer and genetics.

He has courted controversy in the past, reportedly saying that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual.

He has suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, proposing a theory that black people have higher libidos.

He also claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would be great."

Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University, told the Independent: "This is Watson at his most scandalous. He has said similar things about women before but I have never heard him get into this racist terrain.

"If he knew the literature in the subject he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically."


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To: wardaddy

> Does that mean brown bears are more advanced than Pacific Islanders or Hannibal Lector?

ummmm... no.


301 posted on 10/17/2007 5:00:31 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: JimSEA
Ethiopia has been in a constant state of war with Islam and colonial powers with Italy pretty much laying waste to it in the last century. A country dependent upon trade as was Ethiopia is brought down when the Muslims came to dominate the African trade. Recent governments haven’t done much to help (socialism never does).
Don't forget that European countries also were in a state of war with Islam and each other, yet the war didn't prevent them to reach rapid progress.

302 posted on 10/17/2007 5:12:44 PM PDT by contra9602
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It’s a legitimate question. Are our African policies designed to make us feel good or to end starvation and poverty?


303 posted on 10/17/2007 5:17:00 PM PDT by ArcadeQuarters
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To: Zionist Conspirator
If Jim Watson is a racist for his views that the difference in intelligence testing among different populations is due to genetics (something I disagree with) then here is the racial hierarchy that he would establish based upon this data.

Jews and Asians
Caucasians (including himself)
Hispanics
Blacks

Doesn’t a racist usually believe THEMSELVES to be the superior race?

304 posted on 10/17/2007 5:18:02 PM PDT by allmendream (A binary modality is a sure sign you don't understand the problem. (Hunter 08))
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To: DieHard the Hunter

they fish well enough to live off of them....when humans aren’t around to enjoy


305 posted on 10/17/2007 5:20:41 PM PDT by wardaddy (Behind the lines in Vichy Nashville)
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To: contra9602

Rhodesia


306 posted on 10/17/2007 5:23:40 PM PDT by bigjackattack
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To: wardaddy

> they fish well enough to live off of them....when humans aren’t around to enjoy

True, but they will do so for themselves, mostly — not as an organized group. You could make a better case of saying that ants or honey bees are a “civilization”.

BTW I’ve spent a fair bit of time around black bears in my time. None of them saw fit to snack on me.


307 posted on 10/17/2007 5:39:01 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: bigjackattack

Rhodesia....man, does that seem like ancient history:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1905172/posts


308 posted on 10/17/2007 5:59:51 PM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: cowboyway; HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Actually, it seems to me that all our social policies are based on the belief that BLACKS REALLY ARE INFERIOR. Why the he11 else would we stand for affirmative action and forced desegregation? Why else do we put up with the likes of jesse jackson and al sharpton? Why do these idiots get so much air time? Where do the notions of “white man’s burden” come from if not the belief that blacks are inferior?
309 posted on 10/17/2007 6:09:47 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: contra9602

In Europe, the odds were better than one against many, not all the trade routes were controlled by Muslims (just those to the south and east) and Genghis Khan didn’t interrupt the African Jihad.


310 posted on 10/17/2007 6:28:29 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: hinckley buzzard

“The irony is that various enthusiasts will readily believe in the heritability of all kinds of characteristics, in a vacuum of evidence, but will rear up in outrage at the idea of inherited differences in intelligence, for which a large body of evidence exists.”

Furthermore, the faux outrage will be quickly followed by a visit to the designer fertility expert that can selectively sort genes in germ cells to produce the smartest, most beautiful, (and likely worthless) child.


311 posted on 10/17/2007 6:59:30 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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To: Fishrrman
Two word rebuttal: Bell Curve. The good doctor should have kept his mouth closed. Not because what he speaks might be the truth based on scientific evidence, but rather, saying what is politically unacceptable will end his career and reputation amongst his "peers". He will now be tossed into a group that includes Arthur Jensen, among others. Not that they were wrong - rather, that they dared to investigate forbidden questions, and then to speak the empirical truths about that which they discovered.

To those who say the graph is made up, or that intelligence is predominantly due to upbringing, nutrition, and not being held down... I strongly recommend that you read at least the first few chapters of Jensen's book BIAS IN MENTAL TESTING. The preponderance of evidence for much of the differences in IQ being genetic has been know for decades - it is accepted reality regardless of how much others try to deny it. Improving nutrition, nurture, etc. can only bring someone up to their genetic potential -- and THAT for some groups is only 85 or 75 or 95.

NOTE that this does not say there are no exceptional individuals or even sub-populations. There ARE such individuals and sub-populations. But on AVERAGE over larger populations the data shows huge differences and much of it due to genetic differences. As a German-American neither I nor any kids I might have could average as high as the eastern Asians (Japanese, etc.) or the Ashkenazi Jews.

312 posted on 10/17/2007 7:22:02 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Clintonfatigued
More proof that this is false:

Condaleeza Rice

313 posted on 10/17/2007 7:47:05 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Trust the Lord with all your heart.......)
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To: Wonder Warthog; All
The CORRECT thing to do (as William Buckley said long ago), is to judge people AS INDIVIDUALS on their INDIVIDUAL performance.

Everybody seems to be missing Watson's premise.

He's talking about the basis of governmental policies. Governments make policies/laws/programs/etc. based, not on an individuals merit, but on groups.

Watson is validating Robert Bork's premise that we a Slouching Towards Gomorrah.

314 posted on 10/17/2007 7:47:24 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
"Al Gore & Ted Kennedy, trust fund rich white boys, are almost as smart as a bag of hammers.

Hammers? Hammers?

There you go dissing my hammers.

Box of rocks, ok. But hammers? No, hammers are measurably more intelligent.

Well, you did say almost, so I guess it is ok.

315 posted on 10/17/2007 7:52:38 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: BnBlFlag
Black American IQ is around 85 whereas the average White American IQ is around 100. The Hispanic IQ lies in between. These are inconvenient truths that the PC Police want supressed at all costs.

Only because of the order. If it were black 100, white 85, we would be constantly reminded.

316 posted on 10/17/2007 7:53:36 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: Rum Tum Tugger
The one thing I’ve learned from this thread is that the average IQ of Freepers is a lot lower than I thought.

So, in your own humble opinion, what direction does your contribution to the 'average' take?

317 posted on 10/17/2007 8:05:08 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: spetznaz
When it comes to intellect I have to say that I do not consider myself lacking. My IQ is at Mensa level

Okay, genius, should government policy be geared towards the intellectual elites, the retards or an average of the whole population?

318 posted on 10/17/2007 8:09:22 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: William Terrell
You evidently have a genetic potential, some or all of which has been realized by forms of adversity (nurture). All the rest seems to be a story about the forms of nurture you experienced. I wouldn't be too bitter about it, though. Some don't even have the potential.

I hope I didn't sound bitter in the bad sense, but only in the sense that wine is more pungent than juice.

Funny, I have never thought of the bad experiences as "nurture", but rather as "environment." To me, "nurture" is more about the love and acceptance, encouragement and support of family, teachers, coaches, and community.

My main point is that many of us do not fit the European-American male template of education, self-image, career path or the timing of various rites of passage, yet have different abilities to learn and grow, and shouldn't be counted out or dismissed without proof. I often think of the Aesop's fable of the tortoise and the hare.

319 posted on 10/17/2007 8:19:36 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Few people would consider Appalachians (of European descent) to constitute a distinct race that has undergone tens of millennia of evolution separate of Europeans. While bad, Appalachians are insulted for their culture, not for the genes within them. If you take an Appalachian baby and raise the child in a more 'civilized' part of the country, people generally won't consider that child to be part of a stupid race.

You missed the point.

320 posted on 10/17/2007 8:23:34 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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