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1 posted on 10/07/2007 6:41:45 PM PDT by ABN 505
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The same old excuses, the same old remedies, the same old liberal mentality but a new generation sinks into the abyss.


2 posted on 10/07/2007 6:44:26 PM PDT by ABN 505
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FYI: Now that Hartford is a northern suburb of San Juan (and Santo Domingo), did Bloomfield absorb the “black flight” from North Hartford?


3 posted on 10/07/2007 6:45:05 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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This sounds just like Peoria....the crime rate has rocketed..the city is setting records for murders mostly by black males and neighborhoods and the school system suck

The middle class is moving out of the city and into the surrounding towns where it's quite and where the good schools area

4 posted on 10/07/2007 6:45:59 PM PDT by janetjanet998
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it is really about competition.

those who could flee the incompetence of public schools did so.

Of course no matter how much money you waste on a public school, you do not eliminate useless PC lessons or useless public school teachers.


5 posted on 10/07/2007 6:47:33 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Puzzling racial gap? Puzzling only to journalists, educators, and other various democrat voting blocks.


9 posted on 10/07/2007 6:54:43 PM PDT by Garden Island (US out of Iraq!.....And into Iran, Syria, and Pakistan!)
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Pedro Noguera, a professor of education at New York University...Although family incomes may be similar, some families do not have the advantages or stability that comes with inherited wealth or several generations of college education, he said.

What a crock of Ed School BS! How many of us (and how many previous generations) didn't have those advantages, yet managed to learn?

12 posted on 10/07/2007 6:58:47 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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The debate is over Liberalism has failed time to move on!


15 posted on 10/07/2007 7:04:28 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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Puzzling, because the left won’t admit what we know:
leftist policies have kept blacks down.


16 posted on 10/07/2007 7:05:10 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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Kids who don’t pass these tests, don’t pay attention, don’t apply themselves, don’t take school seriously, treat school as though it were either a prison or a social event, and little else. These things are not either or, except the last examples. They are all encompassed in the same students. And Teachers...........some enable, some are frustrated as they are forced to enable against their will.

It all boils down to the NEA, pretty much, and their policies. No surprise that over 30% of the students have left public schools!

17 posted on 10/07/2007 7:07:05 PM PDT by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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Heard something like this addressed on the Michael Baisden show (Good Show BTW) where he asked a guest about the phenomena where African college students in America (presumably subject to the same color based racism as American blacks) consistently do better than American blacks, even in historically black colleges. Obviously this is a bothersome detail. It was handedly answered by the guest who replied that the African black, even facing whatever they did in their country of origin, didn't have to deal with the effect of 400 years of racism that saddles American blacks.

So there you go. Its the white people's fault.

20 posted on 10/07/2007 7:08:48 PM PDT by MichiganMan (Last year, this consumer spent over $1,700 on Linux compatible hardware.)
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You’ll notice, of course, that the race hustlers NEVER analyze the racial gap in athletics.


22 posted on 10/07/2007 7:14:13 PM PDT by Lizavetta ( Politicians: When they're speaking, they're lying - when they're not speaking, they're stealing.)
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I believe it goes deeper than anyone wants to admit. Look at the origin countries and look at their education. Look at what they have contributed to the world. Not much. Mexico doesn’t do a thing for the world because they can’t. Africa doesn’t contribute anything to the world because they can’t. Why do we expect them to do any better just because they live in the US? I know this is going to sound like the old deep south but I don’t believe that they can learn as the whites do, nor do they have the desire to learn. Why should they, the world takes care of them. The one problem we are facing is that they are multiplying to the extent that we will reach a point that we can’t take care of them all. Then what. Again, I honestly believe the problem is that we don’t or won’t admit what the real problem is.


27 posted on 10/07/2007 7:18:12 PM PDT by RC2
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No matter how fancy the sawmill, one can't mill good lumber from bad timber.

- John

28 posted on 10/07/2007 7:18:52 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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30 posted on 10/07/2007 7:19:25 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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On a 2005 nationwide reading test, the gap between black and white high school seniors whose parents were college graduates actually was larger than the gap between blacks and whites whose parents had not finished high school.

Why?

The gap is not the important statistic!

THE GAP IS NOT THE IMPORTANT FREEPIN' STATISTIC!!!

Even if you take on faith that the test score measures something important, what is important is the score of the students, not the gap between one group and another. Perhaps the white students who were children of college graduated did much better than white students who were children of parents who did not finish high school, while minority students whose parents finished college fared better, but not quite so well. Thus a larger gap.

But the students did better, so isn't that a good thing?

But the Liberal concentrates on the gap, and the gap becomes the most important thing.

Where, there are two ways to close a gap. Eventually the Liberal gets tired of doing the heavy lifting to bring up the lowest, and realized that it is much easier to close the gap by punishing the achiever. So they will merrily do so, and break their arms patting themselves on the back because the system is now more "fair".

Meanwhile, every parent with the ability to do so pulls their kids the heck out of the public school system. Surprise, suprise...

34 posted on 10/07/2007 7:25:39 PM PDT by gridlock (C'mon people now / Smile on your Brother / Everybody get together / Try to love one anoth-kaBOOM!)
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Too much “Fiddy Cent” and not enough reading. Blacks today would rather whine about the injustice of “da man” than put forth any effort learning the basics that blacks 30 years ago knew by the time they graduated from high school. Entitlement kills initiative.


37 posted on 10/07/2007 7:31:09 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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The problem of course is cultural, not racial. It’s the self-defeating black culture. The remedy for it is criticism from the rest of society. If people were free to condemn the disfunctional aspects of black culture, it would change. Unfortunately this doesn’t happen. Why? Because liberals have cut the feedback loop. If you criticise, you’re a racist. So we watch helplessly while black America drowns. We keep to ourselves the very thing they need — our criticism. It’s tragic.


46 posted on 10/07/2007 7:51:59 PM PDT by Yardstick
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In that interview, Ferguson was asked whether focusing on lifestyle factors isn't just a way of blaming the victim.

Victim?

Blindly vote 80% or more every election over decades for Democrats and you get what you asked for.

48 posted on 10/07/2007 7:58:03 PM PDT by American in Singapore (Bill Clinton: The Human Stain)
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Background, family income, stability, teachers, all have something to do with the problem but I believe the main cause is rap music, liberal television, movies, commercials and just the general decay of the culture. We have lost our work ethic and our morals. The kids are not learning because they don't want to.

I have met the greatest generation and I have met the generation coming up and the devolution is astonishing.

49 posted on 10/07/2007 8:01:07 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Orwell was off the mark by 24 years.)
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The IQ averages among the various races have been known for many years. It’s not “mysterious” but it is being supressed.


50 posted on 10/07/2007 8:06:25 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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