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”His boat took 188 enemy hits”: Another Kerry Swift Boat story surfaces
Original FReeper research citing Times-News (Burlington, NC) | 09/30/2007 | Fedora

Posted on 09/30/2007 1:28:52 PM PDT by Fedora

”His boat took 188 enemy hits”: Another Kerry Swift Boat story surfaces

By Fedora

During the 2004 campaign, John Kerry faced a firestorm of controversy over the events surrounding the awarding of his third Purple Heart and his Bronze Star. One inconsistency investigators noticed was that although military documents described Kerry’s Swift Boat team as facing “about 5000 meters” of enemy fire while travelling down a 75-yard-wide stretch of the Bay Hap River, there was no record of any bullet damage to craft or crew. Not publicized in 2004 was another discrepancy magnifying this issue: while Kerry was making his first Congressional run in fall 1972, newspapers around the country ran stories by reporter Tom Tiede claiming that Kerry’s boat “took 188 enemy hits”.

On October 25, 1972, page 18D of the Burlington, North Carolina Times-News carried an article by Tiede titled “John F. Kerry. . .The Candidate Who’s Got It All Going” which stated:

Kerry, you'll recall, is the thrice-wounded Vietnam naval veteran (his boat took 188 enemy hits) who brought GIs to the front lines of antiwar battle in 1969.

Versions of Tiede’s article echoing this “188 enemy hits” claim appeared in the Wisconsin Rapids Daily Tribune on October 25, 1972, in the Danville, Virginia Register on October 26, 1972, and in the Uniontown, Pennsylvania Evening Standard on November 1, 1972.

Declassified military records of the incident in question make no reference to these “188 enemy hits”, and what is recorded raises questions about how this story got started.

The incident involved five Swift Boats, which had moved near the Bay Hap River’s banks to maneuver around a fishing weir. Moving along the left side of the river was PCF-3 under Lieutenant Dick Pees, followed by PCF-23 under Lieutenant Jack Chenoweth. On the right side were PCF-94 under Kerry’s command and PCF-43 under Lieutenant Donald Droz. Trailing behind both pairs of boats near the center of the river was PCF-51 under Lieutenant Larry Thurlow, the patrol’s mission commander. Also travelling with the patrol were members of a Special Forces team.

As the boats were passing the weir, a mine went off. Discrepancies surround what damage was caused by the explosion, as well as whether or not the explosion was followed by enemy fire.

The Naval paperwork on the incident was probably filed by Kerry, judging by Kerry’s 1971 Senate testimony and the recollection of other Swift Boat veterans. Additional paperwork for Special Forces was probably filed by Lieutenant James Rassmann, who often performed this duty for his unit.

The after-action report released during the 2004 campaign describes a mine going off “UNDER PCF-3” and “CLOSE ABOARD PCF-94”. Elsewhere it states, “MINE DETONATED UNDER PCF-3. . .TWO OTHER MINE EXPLOSIONS”. However, the boat damage report lists no damage to PCF-3 but severe damage to PCF-94, which is described as having its wiring, generator, steering, and bilge pump in inoperable condition. Yet despite describing PCF-94 as being in this condition, the report states that “94 TOWED PCF 3 AS BUCKET BRIGADE CONTROLLED FLOODING”.

The after-action report describes mine explosion injuries to several crew members of PCF-3, but Kerry is the only one on PCF-94 listed with mine explosion injuries. There are no descriptions of bullet damage to any craft or crew.

The after-action report and casualty report state that “KERRY SUFFERED SHRAPNEL WOUNDS IN HIS LEFT BUTTOCKS AND CONTUSIONS ON HIS RIGHT FOREARM WHEN A MINE DETONATED CLOSE ABOARD PCF-94”. The after-action report characterizes Kerry’s right forearm injury as “MINOR”. The recommendation for Kerry’s Bronze Star--submitted by Kerry’s commanding officer Lieutenant Commander George Elliott and citing as an eyewitness Kerry’s second-in-command Del Sandusky--elaborates that a mine “detonated close aboard PCF-94, knocking 1st LT RASSMAN into the water and wounding LTJG KERRY in the right arm. . .LTJG KERRY. . .managed to pull LT RASSMAN aboard despite the painful wound in his right arm.” Kerry’s Bronze Star citation, originally written by Admiral Elmo Zumwalt and later revised under Secretary of the Navy John Lehman’s signature, substitutes for the above-mentioned contusions the detail that Kerry’s arm was “bleeding”.

However Kerry’s contemporary war journal, cited in a 2004 biography by Douglas Brinkley, indicates that his shrapnel injury actually came from an earlier rice-bin explosion, not the mine explosion. Prior to the mine explosion, Kerry’s Swift Boat team had assisted its Special Forces counterparts in clearing a village suspected of harboring Viet Cong. While the Green Berets were blowing up rice bins, “I got a piece of small grenade in my ass from one of the rice bin explosions,” Kerry recorded.

Eyewitness accounts help explain some of the other discrepancies surrounding Kerry’s injuries. James Rassmann told the Boston Globe on August 6, 2004 that it was his understanding that Kerry’s arm wound was caused by the mine explosion throwing Kerry into his boat’s pilot house. Two witnesses to Kerry’s arm injury, Van Odell and Jack Chenoweth, contend that Kerry’s arm was not bleeding. This is consistent with the after-action and casualty reports’ characterization of Kerry’s arm injury as “contusions”. If Kerry’s arm had been hit by a bullet, it seems likely he would have suffered bleeding rather than contusions. This may suggest that later paperwork revisions characterizing his arm as “bleeding” were an attempt to reconcile his wound with the claim that his injury was caused by gunfire.

Discrepancies surrounding the mine explosion and resulting boat damage remain to be explained. Kerry and Rassmann gave inconsistent accounts about which boat was over the mine when it went off, contradicting other eyewitnesses and compounding the confusion in the documentary record.

In a eulogy for Swift Boat gunner Tom Belodeau in 1997, Kerry recalled that it was a mine exploding under his own boat which knocked a Green Beret overboard. But Brinkley’s 2004 biography recorded Kerry’s recollection that when Rassmann fell overboard he was sitting on another boat across the river, PCF-3. A Kerry campaign press release from January 17, 2004 introduced Rassmann as “traveling down the Bay Hap river in a boat behind Kerry’s when both were ambushed by exploding land mines and enemy fire coming from the shore.” However when Rassmann spoke to the Democratic National Convention in July 2004, he described his memory of eating a cookie on Kerry’s boat when a mine knocked him into the water.

At least four witnesses from other boats only recalled a mine going off under PCF-3, not under Kerry’s boat. In interviews PCF-3 skipper Dick Pees recalled sitting in his disabled boat, and PCF-23 skipper Jack Chenoweth recalled having to slam his engines into reverse to avoid running into PCF-3. PCF-23 gunner Van Odell and mission commander Larry Thurlow supported this account of the incident.

Witnesses were divided over whether there was hostile gunfire or rocket fire. Most of Kerry’s crewmates, two witnesses from other boats, and Rassmann recalled what they interpreted as hostile fire. At least ten witnesses from other boats disputed this.

Kerry’s PCF-94 crewmates David Alston, Eugene Thorson, Michael Medeiros, and Del Sandusky recalled hostile fire, as did Rassmann. Alston was later discredited when it was demonstrated that he was not present at events he claimed to have witnessed.

PCF-43 gunner Wayne Langhofer recalled, “There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river.” PCF-51 crewman Robert Lambert also interpreted bullets he saw striking the water as coming from hostile fire.

However, Pees, Thurlow, Chenoweth, Odell, PCF-43 gunner Robert Hornberger, and others present recalled no hostile fire. Odell elaborated,

As the 3 boat passed the weir on the narrowest part of the river it was hit by a mine, which lifted it completely out of the water. I immediately began firing my twin 50’s towards river left to suppress any fire. I fired a couple of hundred rounds and realized we were not receiving any return fire from either bank. The other boats quit firing and we commenced rescue operations for the PCF-3 crew and boat. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY FIRE FROM EITHER BANK. Our boat picked up members of the disabled PCF-3.

Others present similarly recalled firing at the banks but observing no return fire.

Some witnesses reported that after the mine went off, Kerry’s boat accelerated ahead out of the kill zone for a few minutes before returning. This would have meant the other boats were shooting at the banks from behind Kerry’s boat as it sped away, which may help account for the difference in perception between Kerry’s crew members and other witnesses. Likewise, it is easy to see how Rassmann and Lambert could have interpreted the Swift Boat team’s precautionary fire as enemy fire.

But whether there was enemy fire or not, it is difficult to conceive how Kerry could have pulled Rassmann out of the water while his boat was sustaining 188 enemy hits, or how his boat could have sustained 188 hits without suffering any recorded bullet damage, or how his boat could have helped tow PCF-3 after sustaining 188 hits. And it may be difficult for Kerry to explain why no reference to these 188 hits appeared in military records predating publicity for his 1972 Congressional campaign.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bronzestar; bs; huntsisdelicious; johnkerry; kerry; pompoustwitalert; purpleheart; swiftboat; swiftboatvets; tryhuntsketchup; unfit; unfitforcommand
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To: Elle Bee

ROFLMHO! I’m having trouble answering posts now, I’m laughing too hard. . . :-)


21 posted on 09/30/2007 1:50:28 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora
And it may be difficult for Kerry to explain why no reference to these 188 hits appeared in military records predating publicity for his 1972 Congressional campaign.

It won't be difficult for Kerry to explain; because he will not. ..and will not be asked to. And those who dare to inquire; will be accused of 'swiftboating' and of being hate mongers.

When a Liberal's truth, rears it's ugly head. . .it is simply decapitated and quickly. . .

22 posted on 09/30/2007 1:51:06 PM PDT by cricket
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To: weegee
I knew that he was a rice-wounded Veteran (who served on BOTH sides of the war).

lol and for sure.

23 posted on 09/30/2007 1:52:29 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Fedora
His boat took 188 enemy hits...

Hmmmhhh, maybe this refers to the crew scoring VC grass?

24 posted on 09/30/2007 1:53:00 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: Fedora

I wonder if the military hass any maintenance records for PCF-94. 188 bullet holes is one hell of a patchwork job!


25 posted on 09/30/2007 1:53:41 PM PDT by Bommer (“He that controls the spice controls the universe!” (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!))
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To: Fedora
The standards that allowed JF’ngKerry to win three purple hearts and a silver star are so low that anyone in my basic training company could have qualified for the same awards several times over.
26 posted on 09/30/2007 1:54:57 PM PDT by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: Fedora
I understand he has an autobiography coming out titled, Did I Mention I Was in Vietnam?

. . .old lies, recast into new ones. Originally published under the title. . .'Excuse Me. . .Do You Know WHO I am?'

27 posted on 09/30/2007 1:55:36 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Fedora

Did they overlook the fact that 187 of the hits were from Kerry closing his eyes and jerking the trigger? One thing sure, someone wanted his butt shipped out of there


28 posted on 09/30/2007 1:57:46 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Fedora
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29 posted on 09/30/2007 2:03:14 PM PDT by ulm1 ("democrat" originated as an epithet "'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses")
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To: cricket

That, or he’ll just explain that the reporter got it wrong: the 188 hits actually occurred while he was in Cambodia on a secret CIA mission.


30 posted on 09/30/2007 2:05:23 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Bommer

After action reports would be easy enough to obtain.


31 posted on 09/30/2007 2:08:11 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Bommer

And if PCF-94 took 188 hits, you’d have to wonder how many PCF-3 took, sitting in the water disabled. . .


32 posted on 09/30/2007 2:08:59 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Army Air Corps
After action reports would be easy enough to obtain.

Really? Is this something that could be requested under the Freedom of Information Act?

33 posted on 09/30/2007 2:11:54 PM PDT by Bommer (“He that controls the spice controls the universe!” (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!))
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To: Bommer

Heck, if they have been declassified, you could get them from the National Archives in College Park, Maryland (this is where the “contemporary” military archives are housed) or from the US Naval History Centre. Heck, you can get the deck logs, if any were kept, for the PCF.


35 posted on 09/30/2007 2:19:45 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Fedora
That, or he’ll just explain that the reporter got it wrong: the 188 hits actually occurred while he was in Cambodia on a secret CIA mission.

Perhaps, O'Reilly might invite him on his show to explain. . .he would feel safe. . .be treated well (O'Reilly is anti-'swift-boaters'. . .);

. . . but Kerry would have to practice his 'body languange'. . .

36 posted on 09/30/2007 2:21:06 PM PDT by cricket
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To: R. Scott

OMG. . .a prize-winner!


37 posted on 09/30/2007 2:22:06 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Fedora

“Swift-Boating” = The use of truth to deflate the unworthy reputation of a mendacious or self-aggrandizing politician.


38 posted on 09/30/2007 2:22:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Army Air Corps

Sorry to keep buggin ya, but how would someone from Texas go about making a request for the records, or even find out if they existed?


39 posted on 09/30/2007 2:24:16 PM PDT by Bommer (“He that controls the spice controls the universe!” (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!))
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To: Fedora
But whether there was enemy fire or not, it is difficult to conceive how Kerry could have pulled Rassmann out of the water while his boat was sustaining 188 enemy hits, or how his boat could have sustained 188 hits without suffering any recorded bullet damage, or how his boat could have helped tow PCF-3 after sustaining 188 hits. And it may be difficult for Kerry to explain why no reference to these 188 hits appeared in military records predating publicity for his 1972 Congressional campaign.

Ya think?

LOL. I wonder where Kerry will be spending Christmas this year. ;-)

40 posted on 09/30/2007 2:25:06 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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