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1 posted on 09/26/2007 6:29:20 AM PDT by presidio9
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One event made a difference in his extreme anti-gun platform? As big as 9-11 was, I just don’t see that one act being the justification for such a change. And I don’t see any indication in his record that he restored such rights to the citizens of NY after 9-11, or even made any effort too.


2 posted on 09/26/2007 6:34:28 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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Rudy Giuliani yesterday cited 9/11 to justify his conversion from ardent gun-control advocate to supporter of citizens' rights to bear arms.

Sorry, Rudy. Past actions are indicative of future behavior.

3 posted on 09/26/2007 6:38:02 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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There is no really nice way to say it: Rudy is so full of crap!
4 posted on 09/26/2007 6:38:12 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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Hhe is so full of sh!te.

Time to take Rudy’s numbers down into the single digits.

Go Fred.


5 posted on 09/26/2007 6:38:43 AM PDT by George from New England
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I posted the backstory on the D.C. case here a few months ago. Was in the Washington Post and was actually a very good piece—it is an interesting story. Will see if I can find the thread.


6 posted on 09/26/2007 6:38:45 AM PDT by freespirited (All great truths begin as blasphemies. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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You know, if when asked why he changed his position if he’d just come right out and say ‘political expediency’ I’d actually respect him more.


7 posted on 09/26/2007 6:39:05 AM PDT by JamesP81
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If he’s really had a change of heart on the matter, you’d think he’d be trying to do something to change the policies in his own city.


10 posted on 09/26/2007 6:47:06 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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Let me get this straight . . . Rudy Giuliani is telling us that his attitudes about gun ownership changed after 9/11? Kinda funny how he never mentioned this to anyone until September of 2007, eh?

This man is so full of sh!t I can almost see it oozing out of his ears.

11 posted on 09/26/2007 6:47:25 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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David Duke- “Why I like Blacks”
12 posted on 09/26/2007 6:50:03 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last..)
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RUDY: WHY I LIKE GUNS

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ha, ha, ha.....oh man....I needed a good laugh today

13 posted on 09/26/2007 6:52:15 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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RUDY: WHY I LIKE GUNS

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Rosie O’Donnell: Why I Like Exercise
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15 posted on 09/26/2007 6:55:17 AM PDT by RabidBartender (Al-Qaeda doesn't need an intelligence network. They have the U.S. media.)
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"You have to look at all these issues in light of the different concerns that now exist - which is terrorism - the terrorists' war on us," the GOP presidential front-runner said in an interview with The Associated Press.

So all of our constitutional rights and civil liberties are conditional over what's happened recently? Any or all of them can be abridged at will? Then there are no fundamental human rights, no rights inherent to human beings and therefore the Bill of Rights is a mere historical curiosity.

No doubt Rudi thinks he helps himself this way. But he is still an enemy of the Second. And these statements open up again the questions about whether he has any respect for any fundamental rights.
17 posted on 09/26/2007 6:57:04 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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Rudy going to do something about his harassing lawsuits against gun manufacturers? Aren’t they still going forward?

To Hell with Rudy and to to Hell with the Republican Party if it selects him as its Presidential Candidate.


18 posted on 09/26/2007 6:59:42 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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Liar.


20 posted on 09/26/2007 7:01:24 AM PDT by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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Amazing

grace.

Giuliani is converted and sees the light on guns.

McCain is converted and sees the light on CFR and illegals.

Huckabee is converted and sees the light on open borders and taxes.

Thompson is converted and sees the light on CFR and open borders.

etc

etc

etc

An amazing election cycle -— what with all these miraculous conversions happening to both Dem and Pubbie candidates.

Let us all sing together, now:

“I saw the light, I saw the light.
No more darkness; no more night.
Now I’m so pandering and getting it right.
Praise the Party, I saw the light! ... and vote for meeeeeeee!”


21 posted on 09/26/2007 7:02:56 AM PDT by TomGuy
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Giuliani said his conversion was triggered in part by a court ruling striking down local firearm restrictions in Washington, D.C.

"It is a very, very strong description of how important personal liberties are in this country and how we have to respect them,"

Does anyone have any doubt that if Giuliani were still mayor of New York he would be filing amicus curiae briefs in support of the DC gun grabbing law.

22 posted on 09/26/2007 7:04:41 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (May the heirs of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski rise up again to defend Europe.)
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Fred Thompson is the only candidate that gets it. He makes decisions based on principles. Principles don’t change. You have to stand for something and not change who you are based on the polls. That is what Mitt and Rudy have done and all of the Dems do it. Give me a leader that will stand by his principles anyday versus someone that stands for everything.

I know many, many Republicans, as you do, that will stay home if Rudy Giuliani is the candidate. He does not represent our values as Conservatives, and never will. Mitt Romney is a RINO, though a very nice man that simply has everything else and nothing to do. “I guess I’ll just try to buy the presidency”. Conservatives will simply stay home…the Dems will pick up additional seats in the House and probably get the 60 seats in the Senate they need to completely destroy our Country. Nice picture, huh?

However, I think Fred can bring America back together...if that’s even possible. America needs a rebirth of patriotism and honor. Republicans also need a rebirth. President Reagan was our last rebirth and he can never be duplicated. Fred will bring his own down to earth common sense to this Country and strength back to our party. A little of the good old days of faith and family would do well for this Country. If a Conservative runs as a Conservative, he will win!

Think of it this way...Eight years of another Clinton White House? Now...that should be sufficient enough reason to pull together as a party, as a Country, and fight this liberal socialist takeover of our government. It is not impossible to take back the House and the Senate. We are winning in Iraq—they know it. The best they can do now is stop our progress and choose defeat just like they did during Vietnam. We lost because Congress chose defeat. History repeats itself when not learned from.

Folks, we are in for the fight of our lives, just as our young men & women are fighting for our freedoms in Iraq and Afghanistan, we must fight for our Country right here and now! I truly believe Fred Thompson is the one man who can pull this party back together! Rudy will just tear us apart as a party. Liberal is liberal every day of the week.


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26 posted on 09/26/2007 7:14:14 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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Guiliani sued, or tried to sue gun makers as I recall.

Sorry, while I respect the man, no way I’ll ever vote for him under any circumstances for President.

I’ll write my own name in first.


27 posted on 09/26/2007 7:15:39 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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Giuliani said his conversion was triggered in part by a court ruling striking down local firearm restrictions in Washington, D.C.

Does this mean that if the Supreme Court were to reverse the DC Circuit Court, upholding the DC gun ban, that Mssr. Giuliani would then tend to revert to his past opposition to guns in the hands of the peasants?

29 posted on 09/26/2007 7:21:58 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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I like guns because they are a citizen’s last line of defense against lying, thieving politicians.


32 posted on 09/26/2007 7:29:08 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedoms.)
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