Posted on 08/26/2007 10:44:41 AM PDT by davidosborne
Many of you know that I help organize the Duncan Hunter "meetup" group(s). I decided to peek in at the "competition" and found it very interesting that Ron Paul supporters are being urged to attend the MoveOn.org rally....
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1/boards/view/viewthread?thread=3421862
I post this because I know there are a lot of folks on FR that support Ron Paul.. I just wonder if you are participating in this effort.. or what you think about this whole business of catering to MoveOn.org
.... quote from an active Ron Paul supporter
Somebody posted a thread concerning moveon, and letting their members know about Ron Paul. As a member of moveon.org, I received today an invitation to create an anti-war rally on August 28th. They will be doing rallies all across the nation on that day. We should invade this event. During the rally, bring anti-war stickers, signs, and flags -- and also Ron Paul signs. Introduce moveon members to Ron Paul, the REAL anti-war candidate! Anti-war people will ask about Ron Paul and be introduced to him on that day. Don't be rude, just gently introduce people to the peace candidate. Moveon.org is well cordinated, so if enough of our people show up at their rallies, we might be able to convert a huge number of people.
I have already created a moveon.org anti-war rally, on the 28th at 7pm, right outisde of the West Covina Mall. Please, everybody who can in this group, COME. It's on the corner of Vincent and Plaza Drive in West Covina.
Edited by Karsten Nicholson on Aug 24, 2007 at 1:44 PM
Whoaaaa.
It’s really more about the power of suggestion in a word. Here one must anticipate how what they post might be commonly perceived.
Again, it is one thing to disagree with the President’s policy, it is another to suggest to undermine him.
Goodluck hangin around. I personally like a no-nonsense straight-forward approach. But it’s not my call.
And I pledge to track y'all's success or demise.
Once you drum up a committed base to vote in the primaries, and when Ron Paul does not place, to whom will Mr. Paul throw his support, if anybody, can you prognosticate?
Ron Paul is leading in the straw polls of declared candidates: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/
So, I don’t believe that he will not place. We’re in this to win it.
Keep us posted. Even if RP does make a negligible dent in the primaries, the data you collect will be interesting.
“Once you drum up a committed base to vote in the primaries, and when Ron Paul does not place, to whom will Mr. Paul throw his support, if anybody, can you prognosticate?”
I would wager that Dr. No will vote NO to all of the above.
Your defeatism and ignorance of the enemy we are facing is disgusting and horrifying.
And your consistent tactic to avoid the argument with one line slander is expected.
How can I argue with someone who is so ignorant about history and yet he presents himself as the "smart" and "intellectual" guy. How can I argue with somone who tells me that 1+1=5 and presents himself as a genius who knows it all.
It is very simple we must win this war or else the consequences will be worse than any nightmares we can imagine. I posted why so many times and I will post it again in the next post.
What will happen if we leave before we achieve victory?
The terrorists whether they are Al Qaeda or the Iranian and Syrian terrorist regimes or a combination of all of them will not only control Iraq but the whole Middle East and with it come consequences to the US and the West that is worse the most horrible nightmares we can imagine. The islamic terrorists will be emboldened beyond imagination and they will have millions of recruits and volunteers ready to fight and destroy the world to establish their seventh century islamic society and Caliphate. The islamic terrorists will use the hundreds of billions of dollars from oil revenues to conduct terrorists attacks that are hundreds of folds more horrible, more deadly, and more destructive than the 9/11 terrorists attacks, including the use of nuclear weapons. They will also use the oil weapon to blackmail the Western and the world economy and bring it to its knees.
If some terrorists dwelling in camps in Afghanistan with a limited budget and few volunteers were able to do 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 people and caused one trillion dollars in economic losses, imagine the incredible horrors that the terrorists can inflict on us if they control the whole Middle East and it vast revenues.
Any person who has a shred of patriotism and a basic common sense will realize that we simply cannot afford to leave Iraq before we defeat terrorism there.
Interesting. Conspiracy. I doubt you've read the book nor any other book that addresses the issues from a WWI perspective. And rather it's factual that if the vacuum that was created in Germany wasn't there, then Hitler wouldn't have had a place to rise from. It's factual that Britain and France had plans for breaking up the ME by 1916. It's factual that the US convinced Russia (through promises of money, materials, etc.) to stay in the war at the detriment of the Russian government. It's factual the Zimmerman telegram and Mexico wasn't a threat (well other than Wilson's interventionist policies into Mexico before WWI but I imagine you think that was 'right' as well). It's also factual that WWI was none of our concern.
"If Russia's Provisional Government had quit the war and negotiated peace with Germany in early 1917, we might never had heard of Lenin. He would have returned home to find Russians celebrating the end of the war. Soldiers would have been returning home and the process of reviving the economy would have begun ... Finally of course, the Czar was gone, and the Russian army would have been there to defend the Provisional Government, virtually ruling out prospects for a Bolshevik coup.But please enlighten us. Your grasp of historical international affairs is second probably only to Bush..Alexander Kerensky and some others in the Provisional Government wanted Russia to stay in the war, and maybe they would have prevailed if they had decided on their own. But relentless diplomatic pressure from Britain and France, and diplomatic pressure and bribes from Woodrow Wilson, helped assure that the virtually bankrupt Provisional Government would stay in the war."
It's factual that Wilson believed it was his right, no responsibility, to 'spread democracy' throughout the world. Much like another President....I imagine you believe Powell's facts about FDR's economic polices are conspiracies as well, since all good 'conservatives' welcome big government.
Have you noticed the extreme "uncertainty" there is in this statement? What "if" is the argument of morons and delusional people who want to live in an alternate universe and out of touch with facts and realiy. President Wilson had nothing to do with the communists taking over Russia or the rise of Adolf Hitler, period. When someone says that WW I was not a concern of the US then he is a total lunatic and not worthy for discussion.
Anyway I made my facts about why we must fight and win the war on terror, you argued by presenting conspiracy theories, twisted facts, and laughable historical perpective. You can have the last word, and enjoy your conspiracy theories. It is insulting for me to argue with you because as I said before it is not an argument when someone tells you that 1+1=5 and he wants you to argue with him on this issue.
i wondered about the same thing, but stranger things have happened on FR.
free dixie,sw
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