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To: jveritas
One of the book that you read is a conspiracy theory that blames President Wilson interference in WW I to the communist revolution in Russia, and the rise of Stalin and Hitler!

Interesting. Conspiracy. I doubt you've read the book nor any other book that addresses the issues from a WWI perspective. And rather it's factual that if the vacuum that was created in Germany wasn't there, then Hitler wouldn't have had a place to rise from. It's factual that Britain and France had plans for breaking up the ME by 1916. It's factual that the US convinced Russia (through promises of money, materials, etc.) to stay in the war at the detriment of the Russian government. It's factual the Zimmerman telegram and Mexico wasn't a threat (well other than Wilson's interventionist policies into Mexico before WWI but I imagine you think that was 'right' as well). It's also factual that WWI was none of our concern.

"If Russia's Provisional Government had quit the war and negotiated peace with Germany in early 1917, we might never had heard of Lenin. He would have returned home to find Russians celebrating the end of the war. Soldiers would have been returning home and the process of reviving the economy would have begun ... Finally of course, the Czar was gone, and the Russian army would have been there to defend the Provisional Government, virtually ruling out prospects for a Bolshevik coup.

Alexander Kerensky and some others in the Provisional Government wanted Russia to stay in the war, and maybe they would have prevailed if they had decided on their own. But relentless diplomatic pressure from Britain and France, and diplomatic pressure and bribes from Woodrow Wilson, helped assure that the virtually bankrupt Provisional Government would stay in the war."

But please enlighten us. Your grasp of historical international affairs is second probably only to Bush..

It's factual that Wilson believed it was his right, no responsibility, to 'spread democracy' throughout the world. Much like another President....I imagine you believe Powell's facts about FDR's economic polices are conspiracies as well, since all good 'conservatives' welcome big government.

1,155 posted on 08/28/2007 6:42:24 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears
I supposed you quoted this idiotic statement form the stupid book: "If Russia's Provisional Government had quit the war and negotiated peace with Germany in early 1917, we might never had heard of Lenin"

Have you noticed the extreme "uncertainty" there is in this statement? What "if" is the argument of morons and delusional people who want to live in an alternate universe and out of touch with facts and realiy. President Wilson had nothing to do with the communists taking over Russia or the rise of Adolf Hitler, period. When someone says that WW I was not a concern of the US then he is a total lunatic and not worthy for discussion.

Anyway I made my facts about why we must fight and win the war on terror, you argued by presenting conspiracy theories, twisted facts, and laughable historical perpective. You can have the last word, and enjoy your conspiracy theories. It is insulting for me to argue with you because as I said before it is not an argument when someone tells you that 1+1=5 and he wants you to argue with him on this issue.

1,159 posted on 08/28/2007 7:38:41 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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