Society Of Vertebrate Paleontology Speaks Out On Creation Museum

ScienceDaily ^ | July 30, 2007

[EveningStar]

Professional paleontologists from around the world are concerned about the misrepresentation of science at the newly opened Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky. The Creation Museum has been marketed to the public as a “reasoned, logical defence” for young-earth creationism by Ken Ham, the President and CEO of Answers in Genesis, which runs the Creation Museum.

The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, a world-wide scientific and educational organization concerned with vertebrate paleontology, contends that the museum presents visitors with a view of earth history that has been scientifically disproven for over a century...

[Coyoteman]

I did notice that Mr Leakey, when trying to prove he found a very old monkey skull, had to do his carbon dating over 50 times before he received a very old date that he liked - ha ha ha.

You have blown any scientific credibility to which you pretended with this post.

First, Leakey did not do his own radiometric dating. That type of dating is done by experienced geologists and nuclear physicists or chemists.

Second, everyone knows that you don't date million-year-old fossils with "carbon dating" -- radiocarbon dating is only useful back about 50,000 years, and does not work on volcanic rocks, which is what they date in Africa!

[Coyoteman]

Scientific American a few years ago had its cover story of finding the very FIRST wonderful transitional fossil in China (a reptile/bird thing) but low and behold it turned out to be another fake. Do more research.

This is a transitional. Did you forget this one? Note its position in the chart which follows (hint--in the right center):

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Fossil: KNM-ER 3733

Site: Koobi Fora (Upper KBS tuff, area 104), Lake Turkana, Kenya (4, 1)

Discovered By: B. Ngeneo, 1975 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.75 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal, paleomagnetic & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Female (species presumed to be sexually dimorphic) (1, 8)

Cranial Capacity: 850 cc (1, 3, 4)

Information: Tools found in same layer (8, 9). Found with KNM-ER 406 A. boisei (effectively eliminating single species hypothesis) (1)

Interpretation: Adult (based on cranial sutures, molar eruption and dental wear) (1)

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=33

Source

[razzle]

Oh, no coyote is joining the darwinists again!!! I’m afraid.

[razzle]

But you DO know that Leakey had to do dozens of dating tests before he got the result he wanted. Typical lib response to deflect the issue by discussing some incorrect spelling or other minor aspect of the issue.

[Coyoteman]

But you DO know that Leakey had to do dozens of dating tests before he got the result he wanted. Typical lib response to deflect the issue by discussing some incorrect spelling or other minor aspect of the issue.

Did you get that piece of information from the same creationist website that said he was doing carbon dating?

By the way, on my last major excavation I obtained 31 radiocarbon dates. Does that make me as bad as Leakey in your mind? Was I fishing for the right date and only stopped when I got the one I wanted?

You clearly have no clue about how dating is done technically, nor about how samples are selected for dating. Do you think folks do only one date and trust that implicitly?

In the case of fossils, you can't date the fossils directly. You have to date the volcanic layers above and below them. And you would be a fool to rely on only one date. In fact, those layers are continually dated as new refinements are made in dating technology, and sometimes dates are corrected.

You claim to have degrees in science. Your posts do not reflect the care with which scientists normally present data. Better stay away from those creationist sites.

[js1138]

I think mr. razzle has several BS degrees. At least he’s earned them.

[HitmanLV]

What do a bunch of scientists know?

[GunRunner]

So you do acknowledge that many elements have half lives of millions of years, which makes a 6,000 year old Earth highly unlikely.

[flevit]

have you ever read the verse,

proverbs

2It is the glory of God to conceal things,
but the glory of kings is to search things out.

[flevit]

have you ever read the verse,

proverbs

2It is the glory of God to conceal things,
but the glory of kings is to search things out.

[curiosity]

Whether or not one agrees with the premise of this museum, its founder has a right to advocate his position and present it to the public.

I haven't seen anyone say otherwise. If you have, please point it out.

[brigadoon]

Calling someone “extreme” and saying his enterprise is a “danger” are loaded terms, especially coming from academics. The exact quote you demand lies between the lines.

[curiosity]

Calling someone “extreme” and saying his enterprise is a “danger” are loaded terms

Perhaps, but they're accurate. Do you want to censor the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology?