Posted on 06/28/2007 8:09:34 PM PDT by Salman
Edited on 06/28/2007 8:14:02 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
As former leaders of ex-gay ministries, we apologize to those individuals and families who believed our message that there is something inherently wrong with being gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender. Some who heard our message were compelled to try to change an integral part of themselves, bringing harm to themselves and their families. Although we acted in good faith, we have since witnessed the isolation, shame, fear, and loss of faith that this message creates. We apologize for our part in the message of broken truth we spoke on behalf of Exodus and other organizations.
I was just teasing a bit in regard to your tagline.
Psychologists who study this subject, whether they are personally pro or con on the ex-gay issue, tend to agree that there is a constellation of psychological factors involved in growing up “gay” or “straight.” Sexuality is a complex thing which embraces many more aspects of life than intercourse alone. A very common story of growing up gay is that of the sexual nature being put into unnatural action as a crutch against shame and other negative feelings. Often, molestation of the child is involved resulting in a double whammy of the hurt being supposedly salved by the erotic excitement.
Stay queer, we don’t care.
Agree!
two words
ann heche
Check my tagline.
Or how they have identified their orientation. Agree.
Two words: Insane asylum (where she belongs)
She's bisexual, or multi-sexual, or a slut, or something--surely no one's test case for anything except the folly of too many drugs.
Apparently you do...
If there is no God, then yes you are stuck with what you got.
Also physical or emotional absence of a father, coupled with a dominant mother. Saw it first hand for myself, many years ago.
No, I really don’t. And 95% of freepers don’t.
Yet you keep posting to me...
Why this is virtually never talked about in the world at large, a world which obsessively airs all its other kinds of psychological dirty laundry, I will never understand.
To those of you, my friends, that I talked into quit being a falling down drunk and attend those meetings: I’m sorry you changed and are now happily married with a good paying job and living in that nice house. How can I ever get back in your good graces for doing that to you. If you want to go back to the gutter , well, I wont say a word.
I don’t know about you, but I’ve had women I was very attracted to, who later, I didn’t find very attractive at all. Human attraction is a complicated thing—and the evidence is heavily in favor of enviromental factors and habits initially forming it, and also, subsequently feeding and/or changing it. Humans are not made of stone—they can and do change—and this is all that persons who formally performed sodomy, and now don’t, claim.
I really don’t understand the abosolutist dogmatism that says a person’s inner desires can never change—even if they are motivated to change.
The odd thing is, no one ever questions a visa-versa change in “orientation.” The sodomist Episcopal bishop for example has an ex-wife AND CHILDREN. He must have been able to um, perform, at one time heterosexually—impossible without desire—before he chose to follow (and feed) his desires the other direction.
Personally, I must have been born with a polygamist orientation—so society needs to make room for my having multiple super-model concubines...or wait, maybe morality and civilization help me to live happily otherwise.
Humans both follow, and feed, their desires—and desire is not fixed in cement—or there is no hope at all for any of us.
Because your post seemed so odd. And frankly, the couple dozen or so times we’ve crossed paths, I’m certain I did not initiate each one.
For someone not interested you sure are posting a lot to me...not SAYING much, though.
Because who the heck would choose to do THAT unless they were 1000% certain?
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