[neverdem]

This is supposed to be fleshed out to 600 - 1000 pages.

[latteconservative]

This would be the end of this country. WOT would be lost, too. We have to defeat this bill. Here is my list:

1: Presidential candidates (esp Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson) needs to lead the public fight aggressively.

2: Pelosi needs (well, wants) 70 republican votes in the House. Make sure this won’t happen. Call and fax your rep.

3: House republicans can shut down the House.

4: If everything else fails, ask a pledge from House republicans: “If Bush does not veto amnesty bill, we will support troop withdrawal and impeachement”. This forces Bush to veto it.

If you have better ideas, please speak up soon. Next week it is too late.

[Drango]

I’m from the government and here to help...
I’ll still love you in the morning...
I won’t .... .. .... mouth.

[goldstategop]

That's why its a shamnesty. It will produce two things: amnesty and zero border enforcement. The amnesty comes first though. And the Open Borders folks are selling the American people a bill of used goods.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Oldhunk]

Every Republican who considers this a sell-out should, within the next week (the quicker the better) change his party affiliation from “Republican” to anything else.

[Neville72]

McCain’s F-bomb retort to Cornyn over immigration proves that he’s a loose cannon and a latter day Captain Queeg.

All he needs is the ball bearings to roll in his hand.

Dr. Strangelove from Arizona.

Buh bye, Johnny.

Conservatives will never, ever trust you.

[quantim]

This is why no senator will be elected POTUS, thankfully - look at the cast, both parties.

Fred supporters won’t like this, but it’s a fatal flaw.

[Rosemont]

Why can’t we start sending illegals back? There is no reason to feel guilty about that, its enforcing the law. All 12 million illegals do not have to go back at one time.

[Rosemont]

The liberal unions and Soros will foot the $5K for their illegal alien/ “Z Visa” recruits.

[K-oneTexas]

Just some quick notes. First, business skates as this bill states noting about companies hiring illegal aliens. Companies can still contribute to hiding them if they are here.

Second, these Z visas are for all nationalities here illegally (Mexicans and OTM's). Someone smarter than me would know but isn't this a reduction in the number of visas we presently hand out?

Third, do we really think the $5,000 penalties will be enforced?

Fourth, no mention of income tax or social security or medicare. But other bills already passed aid them in sending money home and collecting social security as retirees.

[Cacique]

If they can't and won't enforce the laws on the books now, they definitely won't enforce these. It's all a sham.



CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

[HiJinx]

Ping...

[philman_36]

This is supposed to be fleshed out to 600 - 1000 pages.
And if it gets passed the percentage of all of those pages getting read by every legislator is 2% or less.
It'll get passed with 98% of them not even knowing what it says and what they're passing.
(thus the emphasis to 'get 'er done' quick. too much scrutiny will ruin it!)

[TomGuy]

Title I: Title I requires the Secretary of Homeland Security to certify that the triggers are met...with the exception of probationary status for Z workers and the programs for agricultural workers.

And that exception of probationary status is de facto amnesty, because it gives the illegals already here regularization, the new White House wiggle-word coined by Tony Snow on the new immigration bill.

Title II: Title II provides for interior enforcement of immigration laws.

They weren't enforced after the amnesty bill Reagan signed. They weren't enforced after the amnesty bill Clinton signed. What makes anyone with 2 functioning braincells think they will enforce the immigration laws under this new bill? Try this: Instead of passing the new amnesty, just start enforcing the existing laws for the next 2 years. Do that and probably 70% of the problem with illegals would be corrected. Enforce the existing laws to convince us -- then, after a couple of years, we can reconsider whether we even need laws. Until you enforce the existing laws, this fluff is nothing more than pandering and giving legalized (regularized, per Tony Snow) status to millions of illegals -- and that is amnesty.

Title III: Title III addresses workplace enforcement by increasing penalties,

The Bush Administration has the lowest number of workplace enforcements of any administration in the last 50 years. What makes them think that we believe they intend to penalize more employers who hire illegals? After this bill is signed, those illegals become regularized, so they are no longer technically considered illegals. No technical illegals; no penalties for employers. Wallah! Problem solved. [What happened to all those hundreds who were rounded up in those publicized raids this past year? Most were released within hours -- after the headlines, of course.] This is just another shell in the Bush Adminstration shellgame on dealing with the illegal immigration problem.

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[The one item missing from this Comprehensive bill is that it doesn't cover the lube the American citizenry could use. We don't even get that much consideration from the Washington elite.]

[AFPhys]

Thanks for posting this heads up...

[ArcadeQuarters]

Summary: Lock one of our windows and leave all doors wide open.

[Cementjungle]

Where are the details on who’s going to pay for the increased Social Security, medical care, Welfare, schools, prisons, insurance (due to more un-insured)? Will a 100% increase in our current tax rates cover it? I doubt it.

[AuntB]

Trigger that must be met: The ending of catch-and-release .......

Do you know how many times President Bush and Chertoff have stood before news cameras saying they had already ended catch and release?

[snowsislander]

That's interesting about the EEVS. So I have to prove to my employer that I am a legal resident of the United States, or I will be fired? If I own a business, I have to register every one of my employees (over the Internet) into the EEVS or fire them? As a business owner, would I have to prove to myself that I am legal, or else fire myself?

Why does every "solution" lately out of Washington sound like something that a police state would be enacting?

This is putting the cart before the horse. We have all of these illegals here, and the only solution is that we have to prove we are legal (probably by means of our biometric Real-ID, I bet) or be fired?

"Your papers, please, 'citizen'."

[3AngelaD]

Triggers include: 18,000 (CBP) Border Patrol hired — This provision is not funded. It is meaningless. They have had problems hiring and training 3,000 new agents in a year. About 1,000 is all they can manage. Meanwhile, agents are quitting faster than they’re being hired because of the danger of being prosecuted for doing their jobs. This cannot occur as promised. There is simply no way they can hire and train that many new agents so quickly.

Resources to detain up to 27,500 aliens per day — Again, this is not funded. Another totally empty promise. Where are the holding facilities?

Increased penalties for illegally entry and reentry — the existing penalties aren’t being enforced. Why should anyone believe the “increased” penalties will be?

...designs a worksite enforcement system that relies on electronic employment verification — Ha, ha. the government has been trying to do this for more than 10 years, spending billions, and none of its sytems work. Although credit card companies can manage to do basically the same thing, government can’t. This is more pie-in-the-sky.

The employer must attest that the Y worker will be paid not less than the greater of the actual wage paid by the employer to all other similarly situated workers or the “prevailing competitive wage — Oh, yeah. This was the whole premise of the H1B visa, and it IS A BIG LIE. Hundreds of thousands of Americans, perhaps millions, have been laid off after training their visa-holding replacements who work for a third of the salary, isn’t that right, Bill Gates?

In order to be eligible for this Z visa, one must have been illegally present within the U.S. before January 1, 2007. — Whole new industry in fraudlent documents showong illegal presence prior to 1-1-07.

Individuals under the age of 30 that were brought to the United States out of their own control as a minor are eligible to receive their green card after 3 years rather than 8. — Just more incedntive for illegals to bring their benefit-sucking kids along.

What a bill of goods.

[kalee]

This title creates a new future temporary worker program for workers who are coming to the U.S. to perform temporary job that the U.S. employer is unable to fill.

Oh great! Ask any IT person what the H1-B visas have done to wages in that industry. Now we will have equivalent visas for unskilled workers.