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Yes, there is a moderate Islam - let's support it
THE JERUSALEM POST ^ | Apr. 17, 2007 | Daniel Pipes,

Posted on 05/15/2007 6:37:58 AM PDT by nuconvert

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To: Mark Felton; Lurker
I believe I was quite clear in what I stated.

Perhaps not?

41 posted on 05/15/2007 7:11:03 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Quiet Down Out There!)
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To: KarlInOhio

Thanks for the post.

“I can’t imagine anything that would get 1.5 million Americans to take to the streets.”

Neither can I
I have no doubt that this is exactly what you’d see in Iran and more, if the people weren’t afraid of being mowed down by helicopter gunships. Fortunately, the Turks don’t have that threat.


42 posted on 05/15/2007 7:11:26 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: Red Badger

Was it the one that said “pretend to be their friends”?


43 posted on 05/15/2007 7:11:35 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what I’ve done here today doesn’t force you to have a negative opinion of me….)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

I agree with the tribalism aspect. They have not been blessed by God with enlightenment that Christ brough to Western civilziation (and elsewhere)

They see that God has richly, richly blessed Christians, so much so that Christian flood into their country to ditribute charity and goodwill, and end hunger and ills. They see that 99% of their wealth comes from Christian nations who buy their dirty sludge under their feet.

They see that God forsakes them and they believe it is hbecause have failed to follow the teachings of Mohamed. They started following Christian values of peace not conquest.

Therefore their onlpy salvation must be to begin acting like true Muslims and following the specifics of the Koran. They must launch violent jihads and kill the infidels and conquer new lands to convert to the “pure” form of Islam.

Muslims cannot be integrated in large numbers in free nations.


44 posted on 05/15/2007 7:11:54 AM PDT by Mark Felton ("Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Mark Felton

Gosh I really have to pay more attention, I missed the announcement where you were chosen to decide who and who is not a “real” Muslim...congratulations on your new job.


45 posted on 05/15/2007 7:11:54 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Sue Perkick

It was one of those “talking heads” on some news program from about right after 9-11.......


46 posted on 05/15/2007 7:13:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: JayAr36
Can someone explain how one can follow the Koran and be a, “Moderate Muslim?”

You can't but millions of Catholics who never set foot in Church would punch your lights out if you start demonizing their Catholic families.

Religions, including Christian denominations, have gone through radical phases and the current wave of Islamic radicalism was not too strong in, say, 1967, when the "radical" Arab regimes were secular.

Turkey has been fighting Islamist fanatics since the days of Ataturk.

We are not going to kill off over 1 billion cultural Muslims around the World so we may as well enlist the help of cultural Muslims in wiping out the religious nutjobs.

47 posted on 05/15/2007 7:14:23 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: KarlInOhio
You mention Tutrkey as an example...

Well, in Turkey which is 99.8% muslim (according to the CIA World Fact Book) it is illegal for more than four Christians to gather anywhere other than their own home and in a single handful of existing churches. It is a prison offense to give a turk a bible.

This is what qualifies as 'moderate' islam in the 'most democratic' muslim state ever.

48 posted on 05/15/2007 7:14:35 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: JayAr36

Keep two sets of books? ooops sorry that was accounting....

Like the Hamas Mouse. In english they say they ordered it removed, but in arabic they probably say they will never stop using it.


49 posted on 05/15/2007 7:15:34 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Allegra

A Muslim may not be an active terrorist, but if he does not pray for the success of the activated Muslims nor give them finacial support or other support then he is not a faithful Muslim.

You cannot be a Christian and not desire that all mankind come to know Christ (through peace and love as taught by Christ).

You canot be Muslim and not deisre that all mankind be converted to Islam. (an irreuftable statement). But the Koran teaches conversion by the sword and physical conquest, not by peace.

A “peaceful” Muslim is simply yet be activated into violence, or a fallen Muslim.


50 posted on 05/15/2007 7:16:22 AM PDT by Mark Felton ("Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Red Badger

“That was a quote from a moderate muslim,”

Well, he was pretty much right. That’s why moderates stay away from the mosques.
In this country, almost all the mosques are funded with Saudi/Wahabbi money. Unfortunately, Washington doesn’t get it.


51 posted on 05/15/2007 7:16:37 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: Polybius

And, how do you separate out the cultural Muslims?????????


52 posted on 05/15/2007 7:16:56 AM PDT by JayAr36 (No Party, just a Conservative.)
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To: Polybius

“We are not going to kill off over 1 billion cultural Muslims around the World so we may as well enlist the help of cultural Muslims in wiping out the religious nutjobs.”

Thanks for a moment of sanity


53 posted on 05/15/2007 7:18:33 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: nuconvert
This means, I argue, that the US government and other powerful institutions should give priority to locating, meeting with, funding, forwarding, empowering and celebrating those brave Muslims who, at personal risk, stand up and confront the totalitarians.

Only one question:

Should we reserve a phone booth or an elevator for the meeting?

54 posted on 05/15/2007 7:18:43 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: johnny7
I knew it... we should’a supported the moderate Nazi’s!

We did.


55 posted on 05/15/2007 7:18:52 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Mark Felton
Go back and read my post again.

About the secularism.

56 posted on 05/15/2007 7:19:04 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Quiet Down Out There!)
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To: Allegra

Yea, I mean, I have a friend who is “Muslim” but she’s pretty much never been to a mosque, she dresses completely normally, and besides being a bit more moral than other teens in the areas any religion would approve of (ie wait until marriage) she’s completely normal.

That being said, I fully realize that there are several million of her co-religionists who would cheerfully kill her just for living the way she does, and 90% of the others would wholeheartedly condemn her as damned.

There may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.


57 posted on 05/15/2007 7:19:42 AM PDT by oakcon
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To: Valin

LOL


58 posted on 05/15/2007 7:20:39 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: Red Badger

I can’t imagine anything that would get 1.5 million Americans to take to the streets.

Cancellation of American Idol, perhaps.......
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LOL...you beat me to it.


59 posted on 05/15/2007 7:21:30 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: All
Would it be too much to ask for people to actually read the article, before they comment on the article?

Would it be too intellectually demanding for you to at least attempt a coherent reasoned response.

The article may be mistaken, it may have flawed reasoning or misstate facts but simply copying and pasting your favorite anti-Muslim quote and posting it, wastes everyone's time and really doesn't advance the discussion. The answer to the media's attempt to down play and cover up the negative aspects of Islam as it is practiced by some; is not to ignore and trivialize those Muslims who are not anti-American and who make up the overwhelming number of victims of the Islamic radicalism.

60 posted on 05/15/2007 7:23:12 AM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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