Posted on 05/15/2007 6:37:58 AM PDT by nuconvert
You can call them moderate muslims... I'll call them weak muslims.
But even those twelve seem to be afraid to speak out because their less moderate brothers and sisters are so inclined to kill anyone who does.
Yes, but in the thousand years it will take for Muslims to become civilized we, unfortunately, will all be dead or forcibly converted.
All I see is an X icon.
My point is: work with the former, but it would be a fatal mistake to believe the latter exists.
Funny, I never heard of this law and I lived in Turkey for a year. I guess all the other Christian teachers and I that worked in a school in Istanbul were breaking the law. Thank Allah they never caught us. I'd hate to have been thrown in a Turkish prison.
It goes so much deeper than the Koran. It's an issue of being civilized people or not. Being savages or not. Bombers are savages whether they are Eric Rudolph, or Osama Bin-Laden. We need to stop looking at this black and white world where Islam = bad and Christian = good. It's not that simple.
Right, so let’s identify, locate, and destroy the ones who are savages. Anytime you generalize it’s wrong. How would you feel if everyone thought all Christians were abortion bombers? A murderer is a murderer whether they are islamic, Christian, Hindu, or Pagan. A barbarian is a barbarian no matter what. Those are the people we need to kill.
The way oakcon did in Post 57.
In realpolitik, you support the "cultural Muslims", like the Shah of Iran, in making sure that the religious nutjobs are kept in their place.
What happened when Jimmy Carter abandoned the Shah of Iran, our staunch "cultural Muslim" ally in the region?
The nutjob religious Muslims filled the power vacuum and we now have the mess we have in Iran.
The are over 1 Billion Muslims in the World. Since we are not going to kill them all, we might at least try to shape they way they think by supporting secularist cultural Muslims and hopefully, someday, making them as "Muslim" as Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy are "Catholic".
Read the article?
Good Heavens!
Of course not. People are going to think what they want. We can think different things. That doesn’t change my thoughts beliefs or convictions. No reason it should.
Another post that’s sure to bring out Free Republic’s very own Keyboard Commandos.
Hey folks, think we’re at war with Islam? Looking to kill yourself a whole lot of Muslims? There are plenty over in Iraq. What are you waiting for?
If, after World War Two, we had turned our backs on all those who had a "Nazi" label on them, we would have ended up in a world of hurt in the 1950's and 60's.
The Koran says who are real Muslims or not. I can read. And i can hear the clerics who say the same things.
Are you unable to argue against the facts I have stated. Facts that Muslims proclaim (not me)?
You are more willing to judge my beliefs because I believe that it is immoral to murder people who do not follow Mohamed?
Do you believe that a people who worship, WORSHIP a ruthless, pillaging, murderer, pedophile tyrant like Mohamed are just as moral as Mother Theresa, who held to her faith as closely as Al Qaida holds to theirs?
Martin Luther King believed in his King Jesus as strongly as Usama bin Laden believed in his King Mohamed. They are moral equals?
There is no moral equivalence. none. Only cowards who do not wish to take a stand would try to make it so.
All men are born equal in the eys of the Lord. But not all men behave equal.
I do not judge, that is for the Lord. But I do witness the evil in others and my duty is to recognize it, defend against it, and help them see the error in their ways through love, charity and by sharing the Word of the ulitmate man of peace.
You see if I do not share the Word of God with Muslims, and other non-Christians, if I do not share my wealth gladly with them, if i do not show them love, then I will suffer eternal damnation. On the other hand Muslims believe they must kill evangelical Christians (all who oppose the spread of Muslim religion) or suffer eternal damnation.
What is your duty? Do you not see a difference?
I think your freeper name says it all about you.
"In particular, the Ankara government is still prone to crack down on ethnic and religious minorities when perceived as a threat to nationalist identity. A sign of the government's suspicion: non-Muslim clergy are still forbidden from training there.
Many Greek and Armenian Christians in Turkey suffer the double ignominy of religious and ethnic marginalization. Though the government is officially secular and many Turks are only nominally Muslim, conversion to Christianity is considered a betrayal of heritage and homeland. Persecution stemming from this perspective has stunted church growth and crippled the small Christian community."
Thank you for your totally un-biased perspective "wannabeTurk" but I think I'll stick to my sources.
Something tells me this law doesn’t really exist. For crying out loud, the U.S. has two large bases in Turkey, they have large cruise ships filled with Western tourists coming in all the time into port in Istanbul. In some Mediterranean resorts you can find topless beaches and in the Taksim neighborhood of Istanbul, transvestites rule the area after dark. This isn’t Saudia Arabia or Iran. Turkey is a modern secular state. It’s got a few quirks and the far east of Turkey is more religious, but it is not radical in ANY sense of the word.
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