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Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #1~ Reagan Library 05/03/07 - Official Discussion Thread

Posted on 05/03/2007 3:19:11 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #1 – Reagan Library 05/03/07 - Official Discussion Thread



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To: pissant

You can bet that 80% of Republicans support the war and that is who matters in this debate.

Pray for W and Our Troops


2,421 posted on 05/03/2007 10:55:41 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both Enemies of America)
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To: Liberty Valance
My personal opinion of Chris Matthews is that he is an @sshole

Big time.

2,422 posted on 05/03/2007 10:56:28 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: All
Transcript is here.
2,423 posted on 05/03/2007 10:57:41 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: TAdams8591

Online polls? Or real ones?


2,424 posted on 05/03/2007 10:58:38 PM PDT by Gelato (... a liberal is a liberal is a liberal ...)
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To: EternalVigilance

“Shouldn’t a candidate’s current rhetoric bear at least a passing resemblence to their record?”

I’ll answer. Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat and a Roosevelt supporter. RR evolved in thought and became a Republican. RR gave Mexicans amnesty. If he were alive today, my calculated guess is he would have changed his mind 180 degrees and would no longer support amnesty. He would have changed his mind based on the results produced by his initial amnesty. People evolve in thought. Many of the politicians who once held more liberal viewpoints are now conservatives. Same as many people on this Freeper website have done. Evolved from more liberal to conservative. It happens.

It happened to Romney who was Gov in a very liberal state. It’s amazing he won the Governorship in Massachusetts in the first place. I believe he came to a point in his life, based on his own strong support for families, that he found his original views on abortion laws untenable. He never was for abortion, rather for upholding the current law. Now he isn’t. I suspect many on this website when they were younger were pro-abortion and now are adamently against it. Just as is Deborah Roe herself of Roe v. Wade fame (or infamy) who is now against the very case that allowed for abortions which bares her name.

Romney has come to the right conclusion. You may believe it is from a point of convenience; I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt based on his totally committed stance on the value of families and the personal life he lives. Unlike Newt Gingrich whom so many seem to champion here as a potential conservative savior candidate, Romney has been married to one woman only. Newt is on his third marriage as is Guliani. So many on this website knock Guliani and give Newt a pass. Both are no good when it comes to their personal lives. Some of you say, well Newt has now asked for forgiveness and admitted he was wrong in his personal relationships. Yet you do not want to allow that Mitt too has changed his stance on abortion for the better? Remember, Mitt was against abortions personally, but upheld the law as it is presently. Now he is against abortion completely. Good. Romney walks the walk. Guliani and Gingrich have not. Neither has John McInsane who is on his third wife too. I’d take Romney anyday over McLame, Guiliani or Gingrich. Romney lives a squeaky clean life and is a good man. And he has a great sense of humor to boot. He won tonite’s debate hands down, with Duncan Hunter a close second.


2,425 posted on 05/03/2007 10:59:40 PM PDT by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: pissant
pissant wrote:

"60% don’t oppose the war."

Correct...Less than 40% of Americans 'don't oppose the war'.

60%+ do. Any candidate in favor of the status quo (Vietnam #2) is going down in flames next November.

2,426 posted on 05/03/2007 11:00:39 PM PDT by Capitalism2003 (http://www.LP.org/issues/platform_all.shtml)
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To: EternalVigilance
Hey, I've asked you plenty of straight forward questions to which you wouldn't give me a straight forward honest reply.

Romney governed in a state where the legislature was 85% DEMOCRAT. That means 15% of the legislature was Republican. You cannot judge his record as governor, by ommiting that very relevant, and most important fact.

He will not face the same challenge as President.

Furthermore, much of his current rhetoric does reflect his record.

He has moved rightward on several issues and is running on a conservative platform. Are you suggesting he should flop back again, so he is in agreement with his former positions, and thereby be accused of being a flip-flopping flip flopper?

Romney has evolved to a more conservative place. He isn't going back.

2,427 posted on 05/03/2007 11:01:17 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Mitt Romney for President '08)
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To: pissant

Pissant, how do we send congrats to Rep. Hunter for his awesome, studly performance tonight!!!

:)


2,428 posted on 05/03/2007 11:02:16 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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Transcript

2,429 posted on 05/03/2007 11:03:32 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: flaglady47

Hey, we made some very similar points. Good post. : )


2,430 posted on 05/03/2007 11:03:36 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Mitt Romney for President '08)
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To: TAdams8591

“Hey, we made some very similar points. Good post. : )”

Thank you. Just read your post this very minute, and of course agree 100% as it is virtualy identical to mine in thought. Great minds think alike.


2,431 posted on 05/03/2007 11:06:40 PM PDT by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: flaglady47
You may believe it is from a point of convenience

Uhhhh....yeah. It's obvious on a number of levels. It shows up all over the place in the incompleteness of his positions. For example, did you hear him invoke the mythical "separation of church and state" tonight?

Sorry, but, even if he were sincere, which I don't believe for a second, where I come from, new "converts" have a very long time to prove themselves before they're handed the reins of anything. Have him come talk to us in a decade or so, after he bears some scars from the sacrifices he's made consistently fighting on behalf of conservatism.

2,432 posted on 05/03/2007 11:06:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Thank you, kind FReeper...:)


2,433 posted on 05/03/2007 11:07:48 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: Gelato
On line for now. He's ahead on FR. Last time I checked, it was 40.4% for Romney, and then 22.4 % for Hunter. It would seem people were honest and dropped their bias, which is a very good thing, and speaks well of them.

I suspet we'll see he won in most of the REAL polls, but maybe by not as much. : )

Cheer up, Gelato. It's not the end of the world. : )

2,434 posted on 05/03/2007 11:09:02 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Mitt Romney for President '08)
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To: TAdams8591
Romney has evolved to a more conservative place. He isn't going back.

I can see that the word "evolve" is the primary Romney talking point now. Sorry, I'm not an evolutionist.

2,435 posted on 05/03/2007 11:09:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: George W. Bush
>> I like Duncan just fine. But that photo is at least ten years old. Maybe more. It's about time for FR's Duncan camp to get a current photo of him. <<

Alot of the political camps do that. For example, the Fred Thompson supporters here keep posting photos of Fred from 1994.

Fred currenty looks like this:

NOT this:

2,436 posted on 05/03/2007 11:09:16 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Don't blame Illinois for Pelosi, we elected ROSKAM)
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To: TAdams8591

Law abiding Americans have the right to self defend with any weapon available, (less weapons of mass destruction.)

It’s like forcing the colonists to show up with bb guns to fight the British who had cannons and muzzle loaders. Do you believe we would have won the revolutionary war under that condition? Do you think leaders like Francis Marion would have been able to challenge the British with only bb guns? Surely you jest.

Romney is against law abiding citizens having the right to self defend with the contemporary weaponry. In today’s world, shotguns and muzzle loaders will not git r dun.

Since our enemies have ak47’s, we need better. And we have a natural right to possess better.

Scratching Romney.


2,437 posted on 05/03/2007 11:11:17 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (JulieAnnie: someone who lacks identity with country of origin and gender)
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To: BillyBoy

Eeeek...


2,438 posted on 05/03/2007 11:11:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: EternalVigilance
I don't disuss taking points with my fellow Romeny supporters, and frankly didn't know flaglady was a supporter of his and actually still don't, though her post about him was positive.

Shame on you, EV. You know better than that.

2,439 posted on 05/03/2007 11:11:50 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Mitt Romney for President '08)
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To: TAdams8591
On line for now.

Thought so.

2,440 posted on 05/03/2007 11:12:18 PM PDT by Gelato (... a liberal is a liberal is a liberal ...)
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