Posted on 05/03/2007 3:19:11 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #1 Reagan Library 05/03/07 - Official Discussion Thread
The debate will take place at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, and will air live on MSNBC from 8:00 to 9:30 pm (ET) and stream live on MSNBC.com and politico.com and will include audience questions gathered on politico.com.
You can bet that 80% of Republicans support the war and that is who matters in this debate.
Pray for W and Our Troops
Big time.
Online polls? Or real ones?
“Shouldnt a candidates current rhetoric bear at least a passing resemblence to their record?”
I’ll answer. Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat and a Roosevelt supporter. RR evolved in thought and became a Republican. RR gave Mexicans amnesty. If he were alive today, my calculated guess is he would have changed his mind 180 degrees and would no longer support amnesty. He would have changed his mind based on the results produced by his initial amnesty. People evolve in thought. Many of the politicians who once held more liberal viewpoints are now conservatives. Same as many people on this Freeper website have done. Evolved from more liberal to conservative. It happens.
It happened to Romney who was Gov in a very liberal state. It’s amazing he won the Governorship in Massachusetts in the first place. I believe he came to a point in his life, based on his own strong support for families, that he found his original views on abortion laws untenable. He never was for abortion, rather for upholding the current law. Now he isn’t. I suspect many on this website when they were younger were pro-abortion and now are adamently against it. Just as is Deborah Roe herself of Roe v. Wade fame (or infamy) who is now against the very case that allowed for abortions which bares her name.
Romney has come to the right conclusion. You may believe it is from a point of convenience; I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt based on his totally committed stance on the value of families and the personal life he lives. Unlike Newt Gingrich whom so many seem to champion here as a potential conservative savior candidate, Romney has been married to one woman only. Newt is on his third marriage as is Guliani. So many on this website knock Guliani and give Newt a pass. Both are no good when it comes to their personal lives. Some of you say, well Newt has now asked for forgiveness and admitted he was wrong in his personal relationships. Yet you do not want to allow that Mitt too has changed his stance on abortion for the better? Remember, Mitt was against abortions personally, but upheld the law as it is presently. Now he is against abortion completely. Good. Romney walks the walk. Guliani and Gingrich have not. Neither has John McInsane who is on his third wife too. I’d take Romney anyday over McLame, Guiliani or Gingrich. Romney lives a squeaky clean life and is a good man. And he has a great sense of humor to boot. He won tonite’s debate hands down, with Duncan Hunter a close second.
"60% don’t oppose the war."
Correct...Less than 40% of Americans 'don't oppose the war'.
60%+ do. Any candidate in favor of the status quo (Vietnam #2) is going down in flames next November.
Romney governed in a state where the legislature was 85% DEMOCRAT. That means 15% of the legislature was Republican. You cannot judge his record as governor, by ommiting that very relevant, and most important fact.
He will not face the same challenge as President.
Furthermore, much of his current rhetoric does reflect his record.
He has moved rightward on several issues and is running on a conservative platform. Are you suggesting he should flop back again, so he is in agreement with his former positions, and thereby be accused of being a flip-flopping flip flopper?
Romney has evolved to a more conservative place. He isn't going back.
Pissant, how do we send congrats to Rep. Hunter for his awesome, studly performance tonight!!!
:)
Hey, we made some very similar points. Good post. : )
“Hey, we made some very similar points. Good post. : )”
Thank you. Just read your post this very minute, and of course agree 100% as it is virtualy identical to mine in thought. Great minds think alike.
Uhhhh....yeah. It's obvious on a number of levels. It shows up all over the place in the incompleteness of his positions. For example, did you hear him invoke the mythical "separation of church and state" tonight?
Sorry, but, even if he were sincere, which I don't believe for a second, where I come from, new "converts" have a very long time to prove themselves before they're handed the reins of anything. Have him come talk to us in a decade or so, after he bears some scars from the sacrifices he's made consistently fighting on behalf of conservatism.
Thank you, kind FReeper...:)
I suspet we'll see he won in most of the REAL polls, but maybe by not as much. : )
Cheer up, Gelato. It's not the end of the world. : )
I can see that the word "evolve" is the primary Romney talking point now. Sorry, I'm not an evolutionist.
Alot of the political camps do that. For example, the Fred Thompson supporters here keep posting photos of Fred from 1994.
Fred currenty looks like this:
NOT this:
Law abiding Americans have the right to self defend with any weapon available, (less weapons of mass destruction.)
It’s like forcing the colonists to show up with bb guns to fight the British who had cannons and muzzle loaders. Do you believe we would have won the revolutionary war under that condition? Do you think leaders like Francis Marion would have been able to challenge the British with only bb guns? Surely you jest.
Romney is against law abiding citizens having the right to self defend with the contemporary weaponry. In today’s world, shotguns and muzzle loaders will not git r dun.
Since our enemies have ak47’s, we need better. And we have a natural right to possess better.
Scratching Romney.
Eeeek...
Shame on you, EV. You know better than that.
Thought so.
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