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1 posted on 04/23/2007 6:58:29 AM PDT by presidio9
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Parenthood affected men and women in vividly different ways.

Procreation and childbirth do as well. It’s almost as if the sexes were designed for different purposes.


2 posted on 04/23/2007 7:03:00 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter '08 Pro family, pro life, pro second Amendment, not a control freak.)
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You know, maybe women are just different from men in their goals and ambitions. Why do we have to assume it is some kind of discrimination?


3 posted on 04/23/2007 7:03:32 AM PDT by Always Right
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While in college, the study showed, women outperformed men academically, and their grade point averages were higher in every college major.

This seems unlikely to me. In every major, women have higher grades than men? Engineering? Mathematics? This would refute any number of studies that show, in general, better performance of men in math and fields with heavy dependance on spatial relationships.

4 posted on 04/23/2007 7:05:15 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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One year out of college, women working full time earn 80 percent of what men earn, according to the study by the American Association of University Women Educational Foundation, based in Washington D.C.

Hmmmm, I wonder if a study conducted by the Cato Institute, or the Heritage Foundation, using the same exact data would have reached the same conclusions. It seemed to me as I read the article that even though the study found significant other factors that contributed to the "gap" it discounted those factors and concluded that the data gives conclusive proof of discrimination.

5 posted on 04/23/2007 7:05:19 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Go Rudy Go! (And take McCain with you!))
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I’m an employer. Multiple companies in multiple states nationwide.

I’ve never once even considered a lower pay scale for women, and most of the staff in the companies are in fact female, as I sit and think about this.

I’ve never seen a situation where a woman isn’t paid the same money for the same job as a male, I only read about it in articles like this.

Which causes me to wonder if its real, or just PC coming out.


6 posted on 04/23/2007 7:06:20 AM PDT by Badeye (Like it or not, we live in a time when Hero's are required.)
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To: Wuli

ping


8 posted on 04/23/2007 7:10:44 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: presidio9

Y..A...W...N


12 posted on 04/23/2007 7:14:49 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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Same tired old arguments. This can’t be true, otherwise there would be no men in the workplace. My old company managers would sell their own children to shave 1/10th of a percent off the bottom line....imagine what they’d do to save 10-30%!


13 posted on 04/23/2007 7:15:20 AM PDT by wbill
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The public education system's war against boys has been so successful that 60% of college graduates are now women.

Given that fact, the law of supply-and-demand explains the income gap between male and female college graduates; the scarcer resource commands a higher price.

14 posted on 04/23/2007 7:15:31 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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Operative word is “earn”. In three different factories, it’s almost always been men who half-kill themselves scrounging for all the overtime they can get, and it’s been men who volunteer for the special installation and start-up projects with hard deadlines. Many of my coworkers, through the years, have been warned that they were bumping up against internal “maximum work hours allowed” rules, and ordered to take a day off. None of those so warned were female.


24 posted on 04/23/2007 7:31:51 AM PDT by flowerplough
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One of the reasons I joined the Navy was to be paid the same as men. And I was. Women tend to choose fields where the pay is lower and they spend less time in the workforce due to childrearing. These are CHOICES women make. There is no conspiracy to pay women less. Once again, the liberals are pointing out a “problem” which doesn’t exist.


25 posted on 04/23/2007 7:35:37 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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It's a Reuter's story too...

30 posted on 04/23/2007 7:49:07 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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The study is here for those who want to dissect the propaganda.

A few point about this "study":

Even the study admits that "women expect less and negotiate less pay for themselves than do men." -and- "Individual differences in negotiating skills may lead to pay variation among workers with similar skill sets." -and- "More women than men choose noncompetetive pay schemes over tournament (where a winner gets a prize and a loser gets nothing) or competition rates of payment for a task."

There's also this graph which seems to assert that the percentage of bachelor degree recipients who are married with children has skyrocketed in nine years to around 4 or 5 times the percentage before. Yeah, right.


31 posted on 04/23/2007 7:53:56 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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More women work for non-profits.



Women work significantly fewer hours.


39 posted on 04/23/2007 8:03:00 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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“American Association of University Women Educational Foundation, based in Washington D.C.”

No bias here....

“”If a woman and a man make the same choices, will they receive the same pay?” the study asked. “The answer is no.”

Is the woman’s “output” the same as a man?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

“Among factors found to make a difference in pay, the choice of fields of concentration in college were significant...”

No $hit. What a Brainiac. Who woulda thunk it?

Hmmmmm.

“Female students tended to study areas with lower pay.”

Wow.... no wonder why they earn less...
Hmmmmmmmm.

“Parenthood affected men and women in vividly different ways. The study showed mothers more likely than fathers, or other women, to work part time or take leaves.”

A big honkin’ Mr Mom no kidding!!!

hmm.

“If a woman and a man make the same choices, will they receive the same pay?” the study asked. “The answer is no.”

Well, no where in this article do they provide actual facts that say so.

I sure hope my tax dollars were not used to fund this useless “study”.

47 posted on 04/23/2007 8:17:22 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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So other than the incredibly deceiving headline the fact is the “Gender Gap” is 5% for people with the same experience in the same field. Now here is the bigger question; they looked at education, did they look at what class the person was teaching? is it harder to find a physics teacher than an English teacher?
50 posted on 04/23/2007 8:30:31 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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From the article:

Specifically, about one-quarter of the pay gap is attributable to gender...among factors found to make a difference in pay, the choice of fields of concentration in college were significant, the study found. Female students tended to study areas with lower pay, such as education, health and psychology, while male students dominated higher-paying fields such as engineering, mathematics and physical sciences, it said...

I remember during the early '70s when feminists were saying there was no difference in the performance between men and women, and no justification for what they termed discrimination. Pig that I was, I predicted that little time would pass before women started complaining about those jobs.

The difference between men and women in the workplace? This is a generalization, so not universally true...men expect to adjust their lives and expectations to the workplace. Feminists (and many women) expect the workplace to adjust to their expectations.

53 posted on 04/23/2007 9:21:59 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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And how many of these supervisors are woman themselves?

If this is truly gender based bias, and I have seen ugly cases of it BTW, this should be present in the data as well.

56 posted on 04/23/2007 10:25:24 AM PDT by Freeport
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b.s.

warren farrell in “the myth of male power” demonstrated years ago that

men generally work MORE hours,

thus, getting the higher paid jobs.

women generally take jobs close to home and school,

and women work FEWER hours,

thereby lowering their pay.

farrell was v.p. of n.o.w. until he published a book showing up their lies.

also, see: warren farrell “why men earn more, father and child reunion ...”


62 posted on 04/23/2007 12:45:17 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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I guess women should have been better at negotiating their wage. Clear that up and the problem solves itself.
66 posted on 04/23/2007 4:40:30 PM PDT by MooseMan
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