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Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
Which had almost nothing to do with my comments.
In a debate, true conservatism will win over socialism every single time. The problem is finding candidates who are true conservatives and can articulate their point of view.
The Republicans didn't lose congress because of abortion. I never mentioned abortion. I don't (hardly) ever mention abortion. If the Republican party is being split, it isn't because of abortion. It's because so many conservatives are fed up with trying to hold their noses and voting for Chafee or Snowe or a dozen other liberals who have no problem betraying the party that keeps them in office. Chafee was a horrible Senator, but the RNC put all it's weight behind his PRIMARY race against a conservative. The RNC has betrayed values for power. The RNC keeps feeding liberals campaign money without any accountability at all. To blame the fractures in the RNC on abortion is laughable.
I don't want the federal government to ban abortion. That's the states' job.
I “must” do nothing. I will NEVER cast a vote for Giuliani.
He is untrustworthy, immoral, would pay to kill his own grandchild, has taken gun permits away from thousands of law abiding citizens, and marched with NAMBLA.
“Watching those buildings collapse around him and attending all those funerals....he more then any other pol knows the nature of the enemy...he’s qualified.”
So what you’re saying, essentially, is that it all boils down to emotion. Not experience, not expertise, but rudy was there on 9/11, so that makes him qualified.
Just making a joke!
“Are you espousing the “anybody but Hillary” campaign. What if the dem candidate happens to be Obama...then is it anybody but Obama.”
It isn’t “anybody but Hillary”. It is what happens if OUR CONSERVATIVE candidate doesn’t beat Rudy in the primaries? This is a poll question that needs to be asked because this can happen and we need to address this.
First off, who is our candidate? Is it Thompson, Gingrich, Hunter, Tancredo or Romney? Let’s get that established first.
Now we can go after Rudy. At this point in time, Hillary, Obama and the Breck Gal are irrelevant.
WHO DO WE WANT?
“Well, then I suppose I’ll get to take an active role in its re-building efforts, seeing as I just got here. Why are you not hammering old-timer? Breaktime is over”
Well, that was vague enough. Where do you stand on the candidates?
Ping to post. And it’s my pleasure...
LOL!
We had RINO's 10 and 20 years ago. And before that in the 60's and 70's we had Northeastern liberals who were Republican and Southeastern conservatives who were Democrat.
If anything, we were getting more conservative...at least until November of 2006 when we lost many good conservative Republican congressmen.
That's been refuted so many times that I just hate posting this spam again, but since you insist on lying about Rudy's record, I shall.
The city also added approximately 430,000 new jobs during Giuliani’s mayoralty the most dramatic period of job growth in New York’s history. At the same time, Giuliani restored fiscal discipline to the city’s budget, transforming the $2.3 billion annual deficit he inherited in 1993 into the $1 billion surplus he hands over to incoming mayor Michael Bloomberg.
Rudy Giuliani: An American Hero By John Perazzo FrontPageMagazine.com | January 3, 2002 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1380 From January 27, 2000 Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani today outlined his Financial Plan for Fiscal Years (FY) 2000-2004. The Plan reflects the Administration's continued fiscal priorities of cutting taxes to stimulate continued record job growth and economic development; increasing spending in targeted areas, reducing City funded spending year-to-year by 1%, while maintaining overall City spending to less than the rate of inflation; and reducing the out-year gaps. The Plan reflects the Administration's success in reducing taxes by $2.3 billion since 1994 -- more than any administration in the history of the City. Combined with the more than $2 billion in proposed tax cuts, this Plan will bring the total value of the Mayor's tax reduction program to $4.5 billion annually by 2004. The Plan projects a surplus for FY2000 of $2.2 billion, the largest surplus in the City's history. This is the fourth year in a row that the New York City four-year Financial Plan contains a surplus of more than $1 billion. http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2000a/pr008-00.html
I cannot believe this thread either. It's like some firebreather hacked Jim Robinson's handle. There are lots of conservatives who don't believe in legislating our religion. We want everyone to be able to worship freely, not revert to the days of the Hugenots and others who were tortured and martyrs for their faith.
I'm a conservative doesn't want to go after sinners with a fiery sword but would rather them learn to love the Lord in their hearts, not through fear. I have yet to hear a good argument from the pro-life side as to why the Bible recommended lighter punishment for a man who caused another man's wife to miscarry than it did for a man who murdered the other man's wife.
Somebody seems to have drawn a charicature of Rudy somewhere and has everybody here falling for it hook line and sinker like some spam mail from Dobson or Rev. Wildmon.
The shrinking "my religion or no religion" types here who assert that only a fellow radical rightist has a chance in a general election are as deluded as those who voted for Ralph Nader.
A lot of conservatives find pro-military, national security the #1 priority but are libertarian in other issues with a small dose of governmental assistance for those truly in need. Judging from the conservative youth I meet today, my kids' friends, our numbers are growing.
His response to 9-11 was heroic. What he did for NYC prior to 9-11 is another reason I respect him. I disagree with him on abortion, and as I recently learned, on gun control. However, I respect him immensely on how he handled NYC as Mayor before 9-11 and during 9-11.
“Well, that was vague enough. Where do you stand on the candidates?”
No more vague than your question above. Good to meet you btw.
Exactly. Maybe we should look at what we all should head towards and not away from. As much as Rudy may not be the choice of real conservatives, and much of this board his past performance has shown he probably WILL work for the eventual nominee.
Rudy is what most of us do NOT want, however, he has shown he respects the Republican ideals of defense being one of the primary platforms necessary for this country to survive in the world of the future.
We all need to work for another candidate to become the nominee. Let’s hate the idea of Rudy as the candidate and work against that end but not work to end up with him working against us. Probably we should also work not to turn any others of us against the eventual nominee.
Looking past Rudy this is going to be a very tough election for whoever is the eventual nominee (other than Rudy). We will need all of us to work hard to stay together to strongly support the Conservative ideals we hope will carry over to the eventual nominee.
So wise advice might be to look towards what DO want and not just work against each other. As it sits now we have NO strong candidate so we have much work to do to even get to that point.
Once we get the real candidate we need to work like the liberals do. As corrupt as they are, they agree on and believe in their core ideals of “molding” the Constitution to their corruption.
So Jim, agreeing with, and supposing your statement of Rudy NOT having a chance of ending up the nominee is correct, we need to work HARD TOWARDS what we NEED to have. Rudy is NOT right and with no Reagan on the horizon, we all have a bunch of work to work towards.
Let's ALL get ready to roll.
Ok, it’s late...we still need that bruhaha confirmation of at least 1 or 2 Rudybots to rant up a sanctimonious round of bs and storm out of FR out of principle.
Damn it we will have our confirmation or we will not.
What good is it to protect a country from terrorists that we are going to destroy from the inside out by our actions? Every strike against life, every waffling to weaken the bill of rights for PC reasons, every restraint on the 2nd amendment means we are getting further and further away from America.
And one of the problem with presidential choices that don’t consider the whole range of the person is the fact that they appoint judges. Who will be shaping things for years and years to come. It’s not just a president for one or two terms...it’s the policy that gets shaped and the judges that get picked that continue long after they step down.
You have to consider what that man in the White House stands for in toto. Because you will be living with the results of that election for years into the future.
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