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To: GovernmentShrinker
Once again, you have posted a well thought out point of view.

Which had almost nothing to do with my comments.

In a debate, true conservatism will win over socialism every single time. The problem is finding candidates who are true conservatives and can articulate their point of view.

The Republicans didn't lose congress because of abortion. I never mentioned abortion. I don't (hardly) ever mention abortion. If the Republican party is being split, it isn't because of abortion. It's because so many conservatives are fed up with trying to hold their noses and voting for Chafee or Snowe or a dozen other liberals who have no problem betraying the party that keeps them in office. Chafee was a horrible Senator, but the RNC put all it's weight behind his PRIMARY race against a conservative. The RNC has betrayed values for power. The RNC keeps feeding liberals campaign money without any accountability at all. To blame the fractures in the RNC on abortion is laughable.

I don't want the federal government to ban abortion. That's the states' job.

781 posted on 04/21/2007 9:54:30 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications.)
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To: Pan_Yan
It's because so many conservatives are fed up with trying to hold their noses and voting for Chafee or Snowe or a dozen other liberals who have no problem betraying the party that keeps them in office. Chafee was a horrible Senator, but the RNC put all it's weight behind his PRIMARY race against a conservative. The RNC has betrayed values for power. The RNC keeps feeding liberals campaign money without any accountability at all. To blame the fractures in the RNC on abortion is laughable.

So very sick of it that I can't ever do it again.
797 posted on 04/21/2007 9:58:07 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Pan_Yan; Uncledave

If you examine the picture closely, you’ll see that abortion and closely related issues are indeed the key division with in the Republican Party. This may not be YOUR key issue — I didn’t say it was everybody’s — but it is most certainly the key dividing line. If you look at FR threads regarding potential Presidential candidates, they are always heavy on posts like “He’s pro-abort and I’ll never vote for a pro-abort”. This is a VERY frequent comment when Condi Rice’s name comes up, despite her ample conservative credentials. That the first black President could also be the first female President AND support the real Second Amendment is a breathtaking possibility, with major implications for the future political landscape in the US — devastating the general perception in the electorate that the Democratic Party is the party that’s “for” women and blacks, shifting many blacks and women into the RKBA camp who’d never before had any reason to seriously consider making that shift, and greatly weakening the the popular Democratic/Socialist refrain that US blacks are disproportionately poor and crime-prone because they were “oppressed” (hard to prevent black people who’ve bought into that from considering that if Condi was oppressed — which she clearly was — and didn’t let it hold her back, they can too). But a huge percentage of FReepers don’t give a crap about any of that, because she’s “a pro-abort” and they don’t need to know anything else about her to know they’d never vote for her. The colossal amount of time and energy our elected representatives are spending yakking about abortion, morming after pills, embryonic stem cell research, and of course the other pet issue of the same camp of the Republican Party, gay marriage, is all a very convenient distraction, which enables the socialists — both Democrat and Republican — to keep on piling up new government spending and wealth redistribution schemes without any noisy opposition. Most of the potential noisemakers are too busy putting on a show for their constituents of trying to get full citizenship rights for zygotes, and of trying to prevent Jim and Joe from ever getting a marriage license, to bother much with the details of the ever-growing tax-spend-redistribute monster.


1,083 posted on 04/21/2007 11:08:43 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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