Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[flashbunny]

“Rudy Giuliani is unfit for office on these grounds and many others.”

I can’t envision any grounds on which he IS fit for office.

[Jim Robinson]

Are you going to trash our conservative candidates in your misguided overzealous support of an abortionist, homosexualist, gun grabbing, illegal alien supporting liberal?

[seekthetruth]

My household will not vote for Rudy! I really don’t think he will win the Republican nomination, and I pray he doesn’t! A family member sent this beautiful song to me today. Just wanted to share it with you and everyone on FR. Perhaps many of you have already heard it, but this evening was the first time for me. “In God We Still Trust”
http://gunbarrelcityradio.com/InGodWeStillTrust.wmv

[processing please hold]

Do you really expect me to do that?

No, and me and mine won't bow down either.

[garv]

Oh yeah, I nearly forgot about his lengthy anti-terrorism resume.

I'm sitting here reading this thread absolutely astounded at the "only Rudy can save us from the Islamofascists" nonsense.

Here we have have a candidate with zero credentials on national security issues who has demonstrated a complete and fundamental lack of understanding of the constitution, embraces a radical agenda on cultural issues, has a petty authoritarian streak a mile wide, no history of anything remotely resembling conservatism and a train wreck of a personal life. Yet he's going to save us from Hillary and the 12th century hordes.

Who's going to save us from him?

[flashbunny]

He was in his 2nd term - see the link I posted above.

When he has revenue rolling in, he’ll spend it.

His fiscal conservatism is largely a myth.

[Peach]

When Reagan was Governor of CA he signed what is called in all the articles at the time “the most liberal abortion policy in the country”. Granted, today it looks like child’s play, but there’s no doubt that it opened the door to where we are today. Ditto amnesty.

[flashbunny]

Maybe we can enlist the squeegee men?!?!?

[F.J. Mitchell]

“Do you really expect me to do that?”

When pigs fly, and liberals don’t lie and the oceans go dry.............nope!

[nctexan]

"The comment stands. Up yours."

Truly brilliant commentary...

Sounds like you have a lot on conviction and not much brains or class.

[rbmillerjr]

“There are alot of New Yorkers who FReep here and think Rudy is God!”

Yeah but that same bunch thinks that Jeter is better than AROD too...and that Don Mattingly belongs in the Hall of Fame.

[Peach]

Your #200 is a good post, Blackirish, and is a reminder of the posts and discussions we used to be able to have at FR about candidates and issue. Of course now I can see it’s being called “trashing the candidates” on FR. /s

[Reagan Man]

>>>>>I’ll be back posting about Rudy quite soon...

That wouldn't be a smart move.

I'll be sure to look in on your pro-Rudy posts from time to time. If you keep posting threads that attack conservative candidates, while promoting the gay loving, gun grabbing, big govt liberal abortionist Giuliani, I'd venture a guess that your days around this forum could be numbered.

>>>>>And if you think most of us have forgotten ... We do not have historical amnesia, much as some of you might wish we did.

That was in 2000 and involved troublemaking rightwingers. Like I said, most of them were sent backing. This time its you liberal Republicans causing all the grief. Jim`s laid down the law. Break his rules and you'll probably pay for it.

[skeeter]

Wassamatter, can't sleep?

BTW I love what Jim has done with the site - brush away the cobwebs, throw open those windows & let in the light!

[conservative in nyc]

So you think Rudy MIGHT pick a conservative justice because of Ted Olsen?

I KNOW there's a chance Rudy will back conservative nominees to the federal courts. I also KNOW there's about a 0% chance that Hillary!, Obama or Edwards would. If those are the only two viable choices come election time, which would you rather choose?

But we're not at that point yet. This discussion is premature. Rudy is not the Republican nominee. Unfortunately, the current VIABLE choices in the Republican primary so far aren't much better. But that hopefully will change soon.

I can still recall a post-presidency interview with Bush 41, and the topic being Souter. The elder was obviously distraught in his choice and kept saying that his advisors ASSURED him Souter was the only conversative that would pass the confirmation hearings.

Given the post-Bork political climate, President George H.W. Bush was probably right. Souter replaced uber-liberal William Brennan. That appointment was a missed opportunity, but ultimately a wash. But then the same President that you called a RINO in your previous post gave us Clarence Thomas to replace uber-liberal, Thurgood Marshall. That appointment was a home run.

Bush 41 went 1-for-2 on Supreme Court appointments. While I'd obviously prefer that Bush 41 would have gone 2-for-2, what do you think a President Dukakis' record would have been?

[Nam Vet]

Rudy is good only against terror. I wouldn't trust anything else around him and would really worry about his appointments to the bench.

Nam Vet

[stephenjohnbanker]

“The illegal alien problem was no where near as bad under Reagan”

It was a drop in the bucket. Reagan had no way of knowing that all of the constraints in the bill would be ignored.

[infidel29]

I don't think claiming Jim would forfeit his duty and honor if he refuses to vote for Rudy is a good idea, or a fair statement.

I'm not saying that at all, and I think JR knows that. As far as I'm concerned this is a discussion and nothing more. I'm only asking if it's better to stay home and not vote or to vote for the lesser of two evils, not necessarily Rudy, but any pseudo republican.

I think the last thing JR would do would be to flame me out of existance for asking a question... I think... I hope...

[Salem]

"I see you drawing a line, Jim and I’m standing behind you."

Me too.

[mkjessup]

I just love it when you whiners call in management. It’s like you’re crying: “Mommy, mommy, she supports a Republican I don’t like”. Sheesh.

You wouldn't like dealing with my Mom. At 79, she could open a can of whoopazz on you that you would never forget.

And she would NEVER vote for Rudy Giuliani either.