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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Jim Robinson

Conservative first, Republican if it is a conservative party.


361 posted on 04/21/2007 8:13:17 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Williams
Good effort.

The problem is we are not voting for mayor of a city, but for the presidency. How many mayors have been elected to the White House? That’s about the lowest level governmental position you can get.

You correctly described the Giuliani approach to big city problems. I agree with you that there was more good than bad during his tenure, but certainly not enough to gain him the presidency. His liberal views are not nearly as important when serving as a mayor, and he could certainly serve well in some cabinet posts.

That being said, Rudy is not a friend of gunowners. To have press conferences with the Brady’s and Schumer does not make him a friend, but an enemy to me. Gun rights are paramount.

Rudy is a cosmopolitan. I’ll be kind. He isn’t the kind of man I want leading the country. There is very little difference between him and liberal Democrats on anything at all. We don’t know what he would do with the WOT. He was a mayor. But he isn’t even as conservative as Bush, who is no conservative. My best.

362 posted on 04/21/2007 8:13:20 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Thanks. I hope Alec has the chance to see it.


363 posted on 04/21/2007 8:13:24 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you Jim.


364 posted on 04/21/2007 8:13:46 PM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: mkjessup

I just love it when you whiners call in management. It’s like you’re crying: “Mommy, mommy, she supports a Republican I don’t like”.

Sheesh.


365 posted on 04/21/2007 8:14:09 PM PDT by Peach
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To: veronica

I don’t see Hillary quitting because Rudy polls higher than her in New Jersey.

So why should conservatives give in to defeatism?


366 posted on 04/21/2007 8:14:09 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Petronski
I’ve never voted for a gungrabbing pro-abortion liberal, and I’m not about to start now.

DITTO!

367 posted on 04/21/2007 8:14:20 PM PDT by semaj (Just shoot the bastards! * Void where prohibited.)
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To: Jim Robinson
As I said, let a good, honest historian go through the records.

I am honest. I never claimed to be a historian.

Twenty years ago you would have never believed Jefferson probably had relations with Sally Hemmings. DNA testing has shown the liklihood otherwise. Some of these guys had dark sides along with their unique ability to forge a country and some pretty good starting point documents. They were overall largely good men they likely weren't saints.

368 posted on 04/21/2007 8:14:21 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: quidnunc

And sometimes folks need shock therapy.


369 posted on 04/21/2007 8:14:44 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: flashbunny; All

Now the DUfuses have noticed us lol: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x724728


370 posted on 04/21/2007 8:15:19 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: Reagan Man; Peach

Trashing Reagan to support Giulianni? Sheesh. She’d better not be doing that on a thread I’m involved on. My blood pressure might push all the way through the zot button.

We had one guy trashing the founding fathers today in his support for the abortionist, gay/illegal loving gun grabber. He’s no longer with us.


371 posted on 04/21/2007 8:16:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party

IF?!?!?!?

372 posted on 04/21/2007 8:16:23 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby
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To: veronica
I hope Quidnunc can come back.

Failing that, maybe you could go where he is?

Just trying to help Veronica. :)
373 posted on 04/21/2007 8:16:28 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Strategerist
Fred would have a decent chance in the general election - Hilary and Obama are not strong candidates - which is why I strongly suspect Edwards gets the nomination.

If you think the Dukakis tank video got alot of airplay, just wait and see what Edwards would get if nominated. There would be an Edwards Hair Channel that would run the primping video on a loop 24/7. It would crash servers all over America being downloaded.

Damn, that would be funny.

374 posted on 04/21/2007 8:16:32 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications.)
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To: djf
Gingrich isn’t electable on the national level. Unfortunately, there are far too many people who bought the MSM vilification of him back in the 1990s and still absolutely hate his guts.
375 posted on 04/21/2007 8:16:37 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: streetpreacher
Amen! Jim has got the pitchfork and is cleaning out the stables.

A Herculean task - literally!

376 posted on 04/21/2007 8:16:46 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Fishrrman

What “credentials” does Rudy Giuliani have in regard to fighting terrorism?


377 posted on 04/21/2007 8:16:58 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: darkangel82

Bump.


378 posted on 04/21/2007 8:17:30 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Just say no to Brady Bunch Republicans.)
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To: darkangel82

I know your intentions are good, but if I want to read anything at DU, I would go there.

We could use less ‘cross posting’ from that liberal ‘paradise’.


379 posted on 04/21/2007 8:17:54 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: flashbunny

He cut taxes like crazy in NY....plus he’s currently talking about a flat tax! No else will has even touched that!!!


380 posted on 04/21/2007 8:17:54 PM PDT by Blackirish
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