Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
If you can't see the difference between the two, nobody will explain it to you.
The comment stands. Up yours.
Unlike the rest of us. LOL
It will be very difficult to win this presidential election cycle with a candidate perceived as "hard conservative".
We _might_ have had that chance, IF we could win exactly the same states that Bush won in 2004. But we can't, because Ohio is going to be a problem. As someone wrote in another thread recently, the Republican party is in deep doo-doo in that state. It may be impossible for ANY Republican presidential candidate of ANY persuasion to capture Ohio in 2008.
There is also a problem with the [formerly] "reliably red" states "turning purple". Cases in point would be:
- New Hampshire: seems like the Democrats have been winning this once-conservative state with increasing frequency lately
- Arizona: didn't they just VOTE DOWN a gay-marriage ban? What the heck is going on there?
- New Mexico: another once-reliable state that is slipping from the Republican grasp.
Hard conservatives aren't guaranteed these states any more, because the states themselves are no longer hard conservative.
On the other hand, there are blue states that Giulianni could actually WIN. Cases in point would be:
- New Jersey: Rudy is doing VERY well there. I think he could take it (even though he probably doesn't have a chance of winning New York across the Hudson; it's just too damned blue to hope Republicans can ever win there again).
- Pennsylvania: Although Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are 'rat cities, the heartland of PA is red. It's a battleground state and Rudy can probably take it easily.
- Florida: Rudy could cut through the purple haze to win there, too.
If we can take NJ, PA, and FL, we can sustain the loss of Ohio and win. But there is only one Republican I can see, capable of winning in New Jersey.
Political fortunes ebb and flow, like the tides. I think it's safe to say that at the moment, the fortunes of the Republican party in general, and of the hard-right in particular, are on the ebb. The war in Iraq is going to be a BIG problem, better not kid ourselves on this. Any candidate we put up is going to have to be perceived by the mushy middle to have "credentials" in regard to "terrorism" (remember that the American public, by and large, still _thinks_ it is supposed to be a "war on terror", regardless of what this struggle REALLY is about). Rudy has those credentials. What does Fred Thompson have?
There's no denying that we took significant losses in 2006. How might the loss of BOTH houses of Congress otherwise be seen?
We cannot afford to lose the Presidency in '08. We have to be pragmatic, shift tactics if necessary, and DO what is necessary to hold that office.
2008 will be a "defensive" election for Republicans. We must hold the line, try to minimize losses in the Congress (even pick up a few seats), and hold the Presidency (which gives us an edge for judicial picks for the next 4 years, in which Stevens and Ginsburg will have to be replaced on the Supreme Court).
Of course, one can stand hard on principles - NO COMPROMISE. And lose.
Or we can be pragmatic, compromise, and win.
Which is better?
Really?
- John
Gee - you live a boring life. :)
If Rudy wins the primary, then you must support him.
***Why is that? Is this a GOP website? NO. It’s a conservative one. It’s just me in that voting booth.
If Rudy wins the primary, and you support the democrat or an unelectable 3rd party, then I am out of here and probably more than just me because we love the US, and opposing Rudy after the primary is supporting the destruction of the US as we know it.
***Then Free Republic will be a socon site once again. At least we’ll have that to look forward to. Another good reason not to vote for rudy.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785129/posts?page=156#156
To: PhiKapMom
If the Republican party writes off the pro life, pro liberty, pro gun planks, well, let’s just say it will lose a great deal of respect, and I’m predicting a great deal of support. I can just about guarantee you that Free Republic will become much more anti RINO, anti liberal, anti big government than it’s ever been. If we are left with no conservative leadership and no conservative majority to worry about maintaining, then I think it’ll be open season on all RINOs from the top down and there will be a complete overhaul in the works.
148 posted on 02/15/2007 12:13:35 AM PST by Jim Robinson (”Electable” gave us Gerald Ford and Bob Dole. Voting for the right-wing kook gave us Reagan. ~ A.C.)
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Much agreed. But he's only a somewhat less dangerous globalist.
Shrillerry--HARXIST--would race us into the global government at the speed of light.
Rudy would likely take a train or maybe a bus to get there.
We must do all we can to see Fred Thompson or Hunter be the GOP nominee. No small task, seems to me.
“If elected, I believe he would. After election, the base can be ignored”
Not if Rudy wants to slap around his fellow big spending repubs in congress. He will really need the base then.
Excellent post.
I am not so afraid of Hillary that I would believe that I need a liberal to beat a liberal.
I am voting my conscience in the Primary.
“Reagan signed an amnesty bill”
Certainly he did. One that was supposed to stop illegal immigration thru enforcement of the laws. And the taxcuts that were supposed to be “paid” for with actual spending cuts. In both cases, he didn’t think the marxist party was lying to him. He was wrong there.
Rudy is still the “gag” candidate. Guns, abortion,gays. Wrong on all three and more.
I’ll be back posting about Rudy quite soon; I’ve had company here for a week.
And if you think most of us have forgotten that management and freepers were calling George W. Bush a cokehead and threatening to never vote for him, etc., you’re delusional. We do not have historical amnesia, much as some of you might wish we did.
You have a good evening. I’m going to sleep happy that my candidate is the front runner nationally.
“Not if Rudy wants to slap around his fellow big spending repubs in congress.”
Why would rudy want to slap around his fellow big spenders? He’s a big spender just like them!
In making a sale, it's always helpful to have motivated buyer. Carter created a lot of willing listeners.
Placemarker
Good job on that Baldwin video!
I smell black helicopters.
AMEN.
UNDER NO, ABSOLUTELY NO circumstances can we allow
HARXIST
aka
her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous—Bw*tch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de Machiavelli de Marx de Stalin de Pol Pot de Mao de Arafart de Castro . . . de Sade get back in the White House.
I’m praying that the court cases blow her out of the water.
Alas, Obama is about as bad.
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