Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
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Amen.
Thanks! I need to add a few obvious things—like his campaign platform, for example. Don’t know how I missed that one. Judicial appointments while he was mayor. ... etc. If you’ve got any other thoughts, pass ‘em on!
TSoA—I agree that something like this, at some level, should be available for all candidates. It seems, of late, that any serious vetting has been shoved to the wayside, preferring ‘image development’ to try to create the ‘winning’ candidate. I much prefer looking at the real record.
placemark
Exactly why am I a RINO? I would really like the definition so I can understand.
Just who do you think is “my crowd” oh wise one?
R.D., trust me...the way this thread’s been going, you might want to wear one helmet and sit on another one so you don’t get your goodies blown off.
Gary Schneider
gschneider@americasvoices.org
July 18, 2003
“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
— Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential Candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948, co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
Whether through design or happenstance enabled by apathy, this country is increasingly becoming a nation created more in the vision of Karl Marx than that of Thomas Jefferson-and most of us have nary a clue. The principles of individual religious and economic freedom, protection, property ownership and laissez faire government have given way to religious oppression, government-forced redistribution of the wealth, deliberate promulgation of government dependence and a pronounced degradation in our cultural and political discourse. Indeed, from the creation of a newly-ordained proletariat (the anointed “oppressed groups” by the Left) to the systematic and efficient redistribution of wealth via the levying of a multitude of (”progressive”) taxes, Socialism is alive and well in America.
The obvious corroboration to this perspective is our progressive tax system. Though originally unconstitutional, the levying of taxes has been a part of American national heritage starting with the Revenue Act of 1791; and upon the enactment of the 16th Amendment in 1913-which gave Congress the authority to lay and collect taxes on income-our fate was sealed. Though all developed countries require some form of taxation to sustain the functioning of their governments, the collective tax burden of Americans has now increased to a point where the average family now pays more in taxes than they do for food, clothing and shelter (Source: Americans for Tax Reform). And through a various mix of Income, Consumption and Payroll taxes, Americans can now look forward to working about 150 days a year just to cover Federal taxes alone. For some additional perspective, at the turn of the (20th) century Americans only worked about 20 days to cover their federal taxes (Source: Tax Foundation/CNN Lou Dobbs MoneyLine, “Bush signs tax cut into law” - Aired May 28, 2003).
But what is perhaps most disconcerting is not the dramatic and consistent increase in the amount taxes owed by Americans over the years, but rather the disproportionate application of the tax burden (the proportion of “regressive” to “progressive” taxation), for this is where the true economic battleground for the soul of America takes place. Socialist doctrine states that what is earned by any one individual should be dispersed as needed to others who have less until economic parity is achieved. Now logic (that somehow still seems to escape the Left) and history tell us that this theory in practice acts as a disincentive to innovation and productivity and, in turn, stifles economic growth and the improvements in standards of living and individual freedoms that necessarily follow.
Representative of how far down this path to perdition we are, recall that currently the top 50% of tax payers (Average Gross Income >$27,682/year) pay about 96% of Federal Personal Income Taxes; conversely, the bottom 50% are responsible for only about 4% of the Federal income tax burden. Broken down further, the top 25% pay around 84% and the top 5% account for well over half (56.4%) of Federal Personal Income Tax paid (Source: Tax Foundation, “Newest Data Show High-Income Taxpayers Earning and Paying More” - November, 2002). This gradual and sustained shift of the tax burden to a small minority of taxpayers is patent Socialist policy-and Liberals want to confiscate and redistribute more. If provided with the opportunity in the next election, you can expect they will push to further shift the cost of an already oversized government to those they choose to consider rich while offering more voter bribes, in the form of new government handouts to their constituencies.
“Rich” is typically defined as any individual or family with a net income that puts them in the top 20% of earners (an adjusted gross income of about $67,000/year); and of these, nearly one-third are small business owners reporting business income. Recall that small business owners are America’s leading source of employment. (Source: Tax foundation, “Own a Business? You May be Rich”, May 5, 2003).
It is fair to say that Liberals will not be satisfied until they have effectively bought a majority of their voters by relieving them of their tax responsibilities and garnishing them with more government handouts paid for by a small minority of Americans. If, or when this occurs, it will be nearly impossible to enact any tax cuts of consequence, while making it easier to raise them.
Nevertheless, in this (still) free American society, governmental policy requires the popular support or acquiescence of the people in order to be enacted or sustained-and support for most Liberal-Socialist policies can only be acquired and sustained through the exploitation of class envy, fear mongering, factual or historical revisionism and Constitutional subversion.
Constitutional subversion, though, is perhaps most critical to the Left because Socialism, almost by definition, is unconstitutional. Having recognized this strategic truth, Liberals have undertaken to manipulate and divide the hearts and minds of Americans.
On this point, it is worth noting the uncanny correlation between the key positions and constituencies of the Democratic Party and the Socialist Party USA as represented in their “Principles”:
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“Socialists struggle for the full freedom of women and men to control their own bodies and determine their own sexual orientation.”
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“People of color, lesbians and gays, and other oppressed groups need independent organization to fight oppression. Racism will not be eliminated merely by eliminating capitalism.”
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“The cleanup of the contaminated environment and the creation of a nuclear-free world are among the first tasks of a socialist society.”
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“No oppressed group has ever been liberated except by its own organized efforts to overthrow its oppressors…. They can grow only in the course of popular struggles, especially those of women, labor, and minority groups. The Socialist Party works to build these organizations democratically.”
Ironically, though, the very groups they claim to be advocating for are those that they are exploiting.
Foundational to Socialist doctrine is that oppressed groups (”proletariat”) rise against their oppressors, as that is the key ingredient to inciting activism toward a Socialist system. Therefore, the promulgation of the perception of oppression (to pit one group of Americans against another) is critical-and we witness this during nearly every election cycle or major policy initiative.
I do not contend that there is some nefarious, smoke-filled back room conspiracy out there plotting to convert America to a Socialist state; rather, I contend that a conspiracy is not necessary. Socialist policy is now an institutionalized element of America’s political structure and mindset. Many, if not most, Americans who subscribe to such Liberal policy are unwitting in their complicity to it; having fallen victim to the mind-numbing propagation of lies, revisionism and singular perspective with which they are inundated.
But imagine for a moment if Liberals were, without mitigation, allowed to be successful in implementing just a few of their pet policies, programs and perspectives:
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The top producers (individual and corporate) would pick up nearly 100% of tax burden.
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An entirely government-owned and -operated school system (no school choice).
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Government-paid childcare.
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Socialized medical coverage.
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The eradication of religious perspective in public and political discourse (thus, our Founder’s perspective).
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The acceptance of the U.S. Constitution as a “living document” (”the transportation into the Constitution of the principles of a Liberal culture that cannot achieve those results democratically”. Robert Bork, “The Tempting of America”)
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The repeal of the Second Amendment.
This translates to a (near) complete Socialist state, a neutered populace and the assured decline, as proved by history, of a once great nation.
By 1970, Norman Thomas and Gus Hall, the U.S. Communist Party Candidate, both quit American politics, agreeing that the Republican and Democratic parties had adopted every plank on the Communist/Socialist party platform and they no longer had an alternate one on which to run. (Source: telemanage.ca).
It remains up to us whether or not they turn out to be unquestionably and irreversibly prophetic.
Additional resources:
Communist Goals, by Chuck Morse, May 9, 2003, Newsmax.com.
The grand deception, by J.R. Nyquist, September 06, 2001, Worldnetdaily.com (see J.R.’s website here for his writings since September 2001).
Is national sovereignty history?, by Geoff Metcalf, October 1, 2000, Worldnetdaily.com
For your analysis, by Geoff Metcalf, October 25, 1999, Worldnetdaily.com.
A Decomposition of the Liberal Mind: Neo-Socialism-Part I
Around here they're known as "harpies."
“Here’s a rough outline that might help build a framework:”
The end result is a rating sheet (1 page only) coded in green, yellow & red. His red marks will leave the instant & undeniable mental image of exactly who he is and what he stands for.
The “Political Biography” if you will as laid out in your post, would be available for the press, organizations, etc. via download (pdf format).
The day isn’t over yet ;’}
Very well. I apologize for lumping you in with others. I guess a few too many references to Nazis and Rwanda made me just a bit defensive.
Neither Hillary nor Rudy can be trusted around SCOTUS appointments or Executive Orders. Or guns. Or private property ownership.
That’s why we’ve got to get the truth out to stop Rudy from being the GOP’s defense against Hillary in 08.
Rudy is a moral Maginot Line at best.
I’ve made a proposal over in another pro-rudy thread.
The pro-rudy people be allowed to stay. They can post their articles. But they promise to post only one time. If the same article appears 5 different places, they only post it once, with the correct title.
If a blog discusses it, they link the blog into the existing thread. If they accidentally start another thread, we lock the thread and point it to the existing thread, unless they abuse this and then we summarily delete duplicates.
I think the pro-rudy people would be more tolerable if they didn’t post everything 3 or 4 times. There are at least 2 posts of the latest Deroy Murdock screed, for example.
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
Rudy
. . . it would be a real struggle to vote for McCrazy. He has just been too dishonest. At least Rudy tells you what he's for, even if you don't like it.
But the top three? I'll gladly vote for any, and likely be willing to WORK for any to defeat the Dems.
Here’s four bits, my brother. Get yourself a Zero bar and think of me.
Yes, FRiend. That is total crap! Were these people raised by wolves? My mother would have slapped me up one side and down the other if I tried that. And I'd have deserved it. But she taught me better than that. If I don't like the rules of the house, as a guest I'm free to leave. I happen to like it here. And the more JR stands up for and speaks out about the conservative values we share, the more I like it.
Apology accepted.
You can call me a liberal all you want. Does not make it so. I have worked as a volunteer for every GOP President since and including Reagan. I have been involved with conservative organizations all of my adult life. Rudy is not YOUR choice, but he IS the choice of many conservatives. The reasons have been covered here on many threads. That is why he is running very strong at the moment. Rudy may not make it, but as of now, he’s the top dog. BTW - I predict that if Fred Thompson runs, he’ll end up on Rudy’s ticket. You heard it here first.:)
I don't know. But, personally, I'll probably never get you out of my personal RINO list after the dishonest hatchet job you did on fundamental tax reform.
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