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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
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| April 21, 2007
| Jim Robinson
Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to rule over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
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To: Pravious
“But, if the election is between Rudy and Hillary - WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR?
A third party candidate? I consider that a wasted vote, and another vote that helps put Her HIghness in office... can we at least agree that thats the WORST CASE SCENARIO?”
Much of the GOP establishment has jumped on the Giuliani bandwagon. It is they who would be voting for Hillary by that very act, because she will win. However, I have complete faith in the establishment GOP and hangers’ on - that they will use their lack of principle to jump right off of the Giuliani bandwagon when he begins his fade.
16,181
posted on
04/30/2007 10:33:43 AM PDT
by
rbmillerjr
("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
To: AntiGuv
Read the article and the thread. I am unable to distill it for you. But if you just read JimRob’s statements in the thread, it might save you lotsa time.
16,182
posted on
04/30/2007 10:34:41 AM PDT
by
Kevmo
(Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
To: EternalVigilance
We must all hang together, or most assuredly we will all hang separately.”
Ben Franklin
To: EternalVigilance
Really?
Shame on you EV. Shame on you.
Where were you when they were bullying me, EV, because I'm having a hard time remembering you coming to my defense.
16,184
posted on
04/30/2007 10:37:02 AM PDT
by
processing please hold
(Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
To: rbmillerjr
—that they will use their lack of principle to jump right off of the Giuliani bandwagon when he begins his fade.-—
like the image. ;)
To: metmom
Oooops.... Blush.... I didnt go back far enough. I was confused about which site it was. Id heard rumors like that about FR and from the way the conservation read, I thought it was JR and FR that was being talked about. Sorry about that. My mistake. Apologies to both of you. I don't mean to be crude with my words .. but where the hell have you been for the last 5-6 years ??
I know where I've been .. I've supporting this site in every way I possibilty could while dealing with real life issues at home, because I believed in this site and it's purpose to defend the constitution and our rights in this country for all americans
And you think I'm would start trashing it ??
Did you miss all those FReepathon Threads??
Did you miss all those comments on other sites like LP, Clowns and and even here by some posters .. where they called my every bleeping name in the book .. including a whore???
I've always tried to let it roll off my back .. because this site and the goals were NOT about me
It's about stoping the socialist in the dem party from trying to shut our voices down
And this thread ... well all I have to say it is .. it's sad to read it
And if that makes me a liberal troll .. then so be it
Now if you will excuse me .. but I think I need to go walk off some steam and spend some time with my family
16,186
posted on
04/30/2007 10:37:32 AM PDT
by
Mo1
( http://www.gohunter08.com)
To: Kevmo
I already have, but I wanted the condensed version as you imagine it. As best I can tell the message is: Don’t argue with JimRob. That’s not exactly breaking news on FR. LOL
16,187
posted on
04/30/2007 10:39:10 AM PDT
by
AntiGuv
("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
To: Knitting A Conundrum
"The union of Christians to Christ, their common Head, and by means of the influence they derive from Him, on to another, may be illustrated by the loadstone. It not only attracts the particles of iron to itself by the magnetic virtue, but by this virtue it unites them one to another." - Cecil
16,188
posted on
04/30/2007 10:41:02 AM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
(<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
To: Mo1
Anything I missed the last 10,000 posts?
No?
Right-o, carry on ..... ;)
16,189
posted on
04/30/2007 10:41:58 AM PDT
by
JohnnyZ
("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
To: processing please hold
Okay. I can see that your commitment to being aggrieved is more powerful than anything anyone can say to you. So, I’ll just sit back and watch.
16,190
posted on
04/30/2007 10:43:55 AM PDT
by
EternalVigilance
(<------(My choice for President in 2008 - Click on my screen name)
To: Pravious
Thats a pretty lousy straight answer. In fact, Rudy and Hillary ARE the current front-runners. Of course, things may change. Insofar as Rudy is concerned, I can even join you in hoping that things WILL change...
Sorry my answer was lousy. You'll have to upgrade your previous post if you want a less lousy answer, lol
Seriously now, I firmly believe that things WILL change, because as more time goes by, more and more GOP voters will come to understand that as a presidential candidate, Rudy is an empty suit. He is a LIBERAL. He is a pro-abortionist. He plays fast and loose with the Constitution. He spends money like water. His security credentials are a mirage. He is a 'divider not a uniter' and his nomination would result in the GOP being splintered, perhaps permanently.
The fact is, things aren't so rosy for the 'Rats either. There is a growing ABC (Anybody But Clinton) sentiment, which is why Barack Hussein Obama is literally neck and neck with the junior Senator from New York, and the extreme left wing (the Moron.Org types, Code Pinko, etc.) is not at all happy with Hillary Clinton, so if she moves left, she loses any possible support from the middle. If she stays in the middle, the left will eviscerate her.
But, if the election is between Rudy and Hillary - WHO WOULD YOU VOTE FOR? A third party candidate? I consider that a wasted vote, and another vote that helps put Her Highness in office... can we at least agree that thats the WORST CASE SCENARIO?
You can call it whatever you want, but I will never cast a vote for Rudy, nor for Hillary Clinton. They are both pro-abortion, gun-grabbing liberals and I will have nothing to do with either one of them. The respective Party organizations will be the ones responsible if their candidate(s) fail to win.
This whole 'you must vote for Rudy to keep Hillary out of the White House' is nothing but a more genteel translation of "Ja WOHL! You MUST vote for Chancellor Hitler, he is the ONLY one who can SAVE Germany!"
In times of crisis, it is a natural human tendency to want to vote for a 'strong leader' who will not only make the trains run on time, but who proclaims that he will be merciless against the enemy. But if that 'strong leader' has no moral scruples, no conscience, no principles beyond their own lust for power, then the cure will prove itself far worse than the disease.
For the GOP, Rudy is a disease. What is happening here on FR is the beginning of the cure.
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posted on
04/30/2007 10:43:59 AM PDT
by
mkjessup
(Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
To: Mo1
I still love ya, baby! ;-)
16,192
posted on
04/30/2007 10:44:12 AM PDT
by
TomServo
("Jim Henson's Flying Leatherneck Babies!")
To: Mo1
16,193
posted on
04/30/2007 10:47:05 AM PDT
by
Chena
(Why settle for less when you could have the best! Fred Thompson for President!)
To: EternalVigilance
You’ve become what you railed against, EV. Worse still, you don’t see it.
16,194
posted on
04/30/2007 10:48:02 AM PDT
by
processing please hold
(Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
To: Knitting A Conundrum
We must all hang together, or most assuredly we will all hang separately. Ben Franklinheh..I thought that was Stalin.
16,195
posted on
04/30/2007 10:51:46 AM PDT
by
evad
To: processing please hold
“Youve become what you railed against, EV. Worse still, you dont see it.”
No, he has fought for what is right and what JR strongly agrees with. The whole “a bully is a bully” idea is incorrect. This thread, started by the owner, has people who agree with it. The zealous Bots came here to show their horses behinds, yet again, in the face of the owner. If nobody countered the bots and engaged with them, the bots are still here. I mean it’s like saying the bullying Brits are quartering their troops, taxing us egregiously. Now, those damn Colonists are fighting back; bullies.
16,196
posted on
04/30/2007 10:52:43 AM PDT
by
rbmillerjr
("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
To: Mo1
I haven’t been here for 5-6 years.
16,197
posted on
04/30/2007 10:53:44 AM PDT
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: EternalVigilance
If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it?—
Ben Franklin
(wonder what he’d think of today’s world?)
To: processing please hold
It is worth the effort I'm expending.
Some things are indeed worth the effort. And you told me what you dislike, but you didn't tell me what you hope to achieve.
FR's worth the effort I'm expending.
I asked about this thread, not FR in general. This thread is a dragnet, and you don't belong in it. Neither does ANYONE who doesn't have something to achieve in it.
To: mutley
"I would say that unity for a just cause is good for America, and that conservatives value the freedom loving individual... And it's still true. It's true that there is one area on which conservatives must be unified. Where conservatives must share a "common good," as the socialists put it. That's on valuing and fighting for individual freedom, which we get from limiting the powers of government. IMO, most of the just causes behind which Americans unite, or should unite, are linked pretty closely to this idea. But the unity has to be voluntary, or it isn't real unity.
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posted on
04/30/2007 10:55:56 AM PDT
by
Sam Cree
(absolute reality)
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