Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[Knitting A Conundrum]

That could have been written today. He is one of my heros.

[ozarkgirl]

This is an absolutely awesome thread

It is awesome in it's own way....hopefully after the cleansing, FR will be it's usual wonderful self.

[metmom]

X-FID: "Thanks to JimRob and many others for helping to kill the liberal infrastructure that has been slowly gaining strength around here."

b_sharp: You radical religious conservatives, in trying to create your own private version of Conservatism will find yourself nothing but an impotent fringe group, powerless to affect change where it matters most, in the political arena.

And where do you pull *radical religious conservatives* out of the statement X-FID made? He made no reference to religion. Why are you attacking religion now? Why are you assuming that just because it's conservative it has to be *radical religion*?

[processing please hold]

I wasn't here for that one but I survived the Schiavo threads, the Miers, the border, and port threads, I have a lot of scars but not one from Elian.

Many FReepers bit the dust on those threads.

[Don'tMessWithTexas]

I am new to this thread but I have seen alot of bashing on FR over the last months and have tried to stay away. Reluctantly, I have this take: everyone has their own idea of what makes someone a conservative.

That's a good thing and a bad thing.

It's a good thing because it permits a broad range of viewpoints and interests. Birchers and protectionists to neocons, pragmatic deficit hawks and those in the Christian coalition can call themselves conservatives on a macro level but they might disagree strongly on individual issues.

On the other hand, that's a bad thing because no one who considers themselves a conservative can realistically define conservativism for others. They will either be accused of being inordinately broad minded or incredibly narrow.

Unlike liberalism, conservatism is not an ersatz religion. Religions require adherence to an unchanging set of beliefs and doctrines. Conservatism can and oftern does mean different things to different people.

That may be helpful if one is trying to win elections or assemble a governing coalition, but equally exasperating if one is trying to maintain that static set of principles in order to articulate or define an ideology.

As long as we can recognize the difference between conservative politics and conservative ideology most of us can live in harmony. We can allow others to operate under their own ideas of what conservatism means. And that's not a bad thing.

[CindyDawg]

Well that’s two duds in a row huh? Just kidding.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

I like the other “Sam” better...;0)

[greyfoxx39]

I don’t like “intense”:’)

Intense! INTENSE?? With blood and guts and bodies laying all over the place on this thread, and you don't like intense? ;)

[bjs1779]

Kinda brings us right back to Rudy, doesn't it?

I don't know her politics. I am sure however, that she did not want Terri starved to death.

[processing please hold]

The name justche sounds familiar to me but none of the others.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Which Sam is your favorite?

And don’t say sammich....

[CindyDawg]

That was the only one I recognized too.

[sully777]

Another martyr going down in a blaze of glory?

---

Quit this bullshit Jim. I loved this site and I loved the people on it until all this nasty jackbooted brownshirt lunacy came along. What the hell has gotten into you? You’ve banned institutions and legends to this site people...I mean look at you, you’re fighting with Hildy and you banned the following people

quidnunc (huh?)
Peach (who can hate fruit?)
FairOpinion (no clue why—FairOpinion is legend IMO)
Celtjew Libertarian (wtf?—guy wouldn’t hurt a flea)
liberty4alland4ever (must be libertarian)
WestVirginiaRebel (Why. Funny guys are hard to come by)
Mia T (goddamn FR institution)
habs4ever (great hair)
KATIE-O (like Cheerie Os but cheerier)
King Prout (why cuz he’s too smart? Or is it cuz he looks like Mel Gibson?)
PhiKapMom (no one dislikes this person why do you?)
Luis Gonzales (Whaaa?)
PRND21 (never heard of em but that’s me)
AZRepublican (must be too funny?)
writeblock (too picky?)
NGRY (too short?)
stuned beeber (It’s a handle based on a FR joke: No way can you ban stuned)
kellynch (you thought she was too cute?)
motzman (sings like a bird—very beautiful legs too)
B-bone (okay everyone agrees B-bone has issues with ducks)
Zeroisanumber (no one understands math like zeroisanumber)
Zark (too serious?)
Prost1 (Why? Cuz he farts without announcing one coming?)
Al Simmons (He opused—big deal)
Dominic Harr (Harr is good)
Sam Hill (can you say bye bye Ann Coulter)
Pukin Dog (Another instituion)
Just Sayin (banned cuz he/she was justsayin)
Registered (don’t understand this one at all)
68 grunt (military guy)
cicero’s_son (whiz at latin)
oceanview (sweetheart from NJ—doesn’t get any rarer than that)
meg88 (not religious enough???)
Presidio9 (now you got the Mafia on your ass)
GenuineChocolateFace (that’s cruel)
MonTinaGirl (no clue)
Radio Astronomer (way too smart. And he’ll kick your ass with jujitsu)
Justshutupandtakeit (It was the cowlick right?)
BeholdAPaleHorse (secretly eats non bran muffins?)

Jim, do me favor and reinstate all the people you’ve banned or offended (and that includes Sabertooth, thag, Dashing Dasher, Justche, Peacebaby, Xenophobic_Alien, Celtjew libertarian, Patrick Henry, and every other person you’ve offended over at Darwin Central, and godknows who else since this stuff started about a year ago). Bury hatchets. Make amends. Life’s too friggin short to be like this.

Now, Jim If you can’t take responsibility, and you won’t reinstate, BUT you don’t have the balls to ban me then STFU.

[CindyDawg]

I see nothing!

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Colt...;0)

[Knitting A Conundrum]

And one from Patrick Henry:

Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles.

(boy that rules out a huge number in congress....)

[Knitting A Conundrum]

LOL!

[Eric Blair 2084]

b-sharp writes: You radical religious conservatives, in trying to create your own private version of Conservatism will find yourself nothing but an impotent fringe group, powerless to affect change where it matters most, in the political arena. If everyone that is not a conservative according to your narrow thinking is a Liberal then you are highly outnumbered. Better hang on for the ride because all those Liberals are going to make policy decisions you are unable to.

X-FID retorts: It's amazing that your type has been around so long, the owner is way more patient than I would have been, carry on troll.

Well, no guts, no glory...I'll abandon my fears and throw myself in the middle of this debate as a referee. I'm not one to back down from a confrontation. It's the way God made me, I can't help it.

To the FReepers in attendance and the millions watching around the world on Pay Per View…Ladies and Gentleman...

LLLLLLLets Get Ready to RRRumblllllllle!!!!

“LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!"® is a registered Trademark of Michael Buffer, all rights reserved.

1,500,000,000 rounds of posts, arguments, insults, cheesy graphics, name calling, and ad hominem personal attacks that pass as debate for the FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

"Introducing first, to my right, fighting out of the red corner, wearing their Sunday best with a gold crucifix...weighing in at 810 and 1/4 pounds...the social conservatives, the religious right, the champions of family values...from the Southern States...The Evangelicals!" (wild applause)

"And in the blue corner, wearing an off the rack suit, Goldwater ’64 lapel pin and a belt 2 sizes too small...weighing in at 141 pounds soaking wet...the fiscal conservatives, the last champions of limited government...from the Western States...The Libertarians!" (wild applause)

Chapter 1: Live From the Reagan Building

The fact of the matter is that you are BOTH right. If you think that we have it tough on the right wing, I'll give you 30 reasons why it's even worse on the left.

[jedward]

That’s a good point. I use awesome in the general sense of it being powerful. I’ve done my best along with you and others to keep moving forward in a positive way. It only seems to get negative when the phenomenon of the light occurs (lol). I sense that people are still re-affirming their principles which is always a good thing.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT...