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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: wagglebee

I don’t though. Could it be true though? I can hope. If enough of us sit on it’s chest , do you think maybe we can make it cry uncle?


11,461 posted on 04/26/2007 5:36:58 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: dmw
Don’t let her beard and hair on her chest confuse you.
She’s what I would call a “manly girl”

Where in these posts are you demonstrating your conservative anti-Giuliani mission? You have been here two years--Plenty long enough to know you should address your infantile insults to the intended recipient.

11,462 posted on 04/26/2007 5:38:28 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Action speaks louder than words but not nearly as often.)
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To: EternalVigilance
She’s still active, and she’s proven time and again she can no more resist posting with an open Hildy account than Bill Clinton could resist ogling a blonde.

Point well taken...
11,463 posted on 04/26/2007 5:38:41 PM PDT by dukakis kerry the dream team
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To: wagglebee

Me too ... then you don’t have to remember the tangled web you have woven.


11,464 posted on 04/26/2007 5:38:43 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I certainly wouldn’t bet on it either but there must be some small amount of decency or a fondness for this site. Certainly she’s lived her life here the past few years and others that had done the same chose to be nasty. They will never be able to return and they will regret it.

Honestly, I figure, she’s thinking the other site won’t last and she doesn’t want to burn her bridges.

FR will be here in years to come.


11,465 posted on 04/26/2007 5:38:47 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: sissyjane
Perhaps because the conservatives think they own the GOP, and they are but a faction of it.

Pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution conservatives are a majority in the GOP. Live with it.

11,466 posted on 04/26/2007 5:41:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The decks are cleared for battle - damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!)
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To: ozarkgirl
"FR will be here in years to come."

Yessim, it will be ... stronger and more conservative than ever.

11,467 posted on 04/26/2007 5:42:53 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: metmom

Well, the point was is that there are some people here who seem to have quit a big FR carbon footprint but don’t appear to have bought any carbon offsets.

I don’t have a problem with people asking others if they are putting their money where their keyboard is. There are far too many freeloaders on FR, always have been.


11,468 posted on 04/26/2007 5:44:30 PM PDT by Bob J (nks)
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To: CindyDawg
Now we want people gone because we don’t “like” them?

Give me a break and try reading the posts. There was no such thing said, ever.

11,469 posted on 04/26/2007 5:45:26 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: sissyjane

Riddle me this: If conservatives aren’t a massive majority in the Republican Party, why are all these liberal candidates spinning so hard trying to convince Republicans that they’re conservatives??


11,470 posted on 04/26/2007 5:45:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The decks are cleared for battle - damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!)
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To: wagglebee
And nine times out of ten, doing this made you a liar.

That's cold. :-)
11,471 posted on 04/26/2007 5:45:57 PM PDT by dukakis kerry the dream team
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To: sissyjane
“She wanted truth posted, not gossip.”

I certainly respect your loyalty to your friend and have nothing disrespectful to say to you about that. But I am not fond of people who say things like, “for too long conservatives have had their foot on the throat of the GOP” I take that as a personal insult. If that’s the kind of “truth” that you agree with, and respect, then I’m just speechless. Do you agree with that comment Hildy made?

11,472 posted on 04/26/2007 5:47:59 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives DON'T vote for liberals.)
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To: Bob J
I don’t have a problem with people asking others if they are putting their money where their keyboard is. There are far too many freeloaders on FR, always have been.

Well Said!
You Got That Right!

11,473 posted on 04/26/2007 5:48:22 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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Romney jabs Giuliani on abortion USA Today 17:43 26-Apr-07


11,474 posted on 04/26/2007 5:53:11 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: NautiNurse

Please pass on your hurricane data before you opus. Your stuff is priceless at times.


11,475 posted on 04/26/2007 5:54:02 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: ozarkgirl

Glad to hear that.


11,476 posted on 04/26/2007 5:54:38 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, maybe peaceful isn’t exactly the right word.

But it definitely used to be more like adult debate, and less like the same level of discourse that one sees at DU...


11,477 posted on 04/26/2007 5:55:10 PM PDT by The Coopster
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Mccain Gives Giuliani Static New York Post 10:14 26-Apr-07


11,478 posted on 04/26/2007 5:55:27 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Let’s see, I’m a single mom, so I am 100% pro-life and I walk the talk. I also believed in Terri Schiavo’s right to live. I’m not on any state assistance even though that would have been the easier route to take, while I’m building my own business - which makes me responsible for my actions, and shows that I believe in free market and entrepreneurial attitude of living in this country - wow that’s a twofer right there and by the way I don’t rely on others donating to keep my lights on, or any portion of my business running. No child support either - which if you look at threads on child support are overwhelmingly men bellyaching about the system, or 2nd wives upset at how much they don’t get because of the children.

I reject a cult member for my presidential choice - but I do it based on my own religious beliefs - hmmm, that must make me God fearing.

I am 100% not in favor of any specialized legislation for homosexuals - I do however feel there are many decent if not deceived gay people who need help and hope and a way out. So there’s a little bit of the compassionate conservative in me.

The person who introduced me to this site was my dad. A Korean vet and proud patriot until he died two years ago.

I love a good long island ice tea - and a not always church friendly word or two. I live in Orange County, so I can’t claim redneck as easily as you can, but I can claim conservative and I proudly observe my 2nd amendment right.

I reject McCain before I reject Rudy - I reject Rudy in favor of Duncan Hunter, but I believe that our best hope is in Fred. So take the attitude of “you’re a liberal if you don’t agree with me” and put that energy into rebuilding a conservative forum that may have some influence if you can rebuild it in time.

Don’t get suckered into the new names who think they have you on their side now…make it a conservative site where disagreeable people can agreeably find common ground as well grassroots folks being able to agree to disagree with each other about the fine points or candidates.


11,479 posted on 04/26/2007 5:55:53 PM PDT by shaylalala
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To: airborne

11479 should answer your question


11,480 posted on 04/26/2007 5:56:28 PM PDT by shaylalala
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