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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: b_sharp

Huh?


11,161 posted on 04/26/2007 1:12:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Interesting Times; EternalVigilance
That wasn't viciousness; that was sardonic wit.

It wasn't *wit* either.

11,162 posted on 04/26/2007 1:12:54 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Fast foward to his last term...that’s where my memories of Nixon come in. Like you politics bit me early.


11,163 posted on 04/26/2007 1:13:45 PM PDT by txradioguy (In Memory Of My Friend 1SG Tim Millsap A Co. 70th Engineer Bn. K.I.A. 25 Apr. 2005)
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To: sam_paine

Drawing lines in the sand. You either agree with JimRob’s mission statement, or you learn to be polite, and to discourse with some sensibility and restraint, I think is how it could be summed up.


11,164 posted on 04/26/2007 1:14:28 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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Could someone FReepmail to me the URL of whatever this “WA” site is that (I keep hearing) was set up by numerous recently-banned folks? I’m terribly curious — but please do not post the URL in the thread itself. Use FReepmail.

Thanks!


11,165 posted on 04/26/2007 1:14:45 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: wagglebee

wondering myself...


11,166 posted on 04/26/2007 1:16:08 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: wagglebee
No true Scotsman is a term coined by Antony Flew in his 1975 book Thinking About Thinking – or do I sincerely want to be right?:
Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Press and Journal and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again." Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing." The next day he sits down to read his Press and Journal again and this time finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do such a thing."

Flew's original example may be softened into the following [1]:

Argument: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
Reply: "But my uncle Angus likes sugar with his porridge."
Rebuttal: "Ah yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

This form of argument is a informal fallacy if the predicate ("putting sugar on porridge" or "doing such a thing [as committing a sex crime]") is not actually contradictory for the accepted definition of the subject ("Scotsman"), or if the definition of the subject is silently adjusted after the fact to make the rebuttal work.

11,167 posted on 04/26/2007 1:17:35 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

There are a couple posters posting in riddles lol. Some have the conviction to post their actual opinions. Worth ignoring imo.


11,168 posted on 04/26/2007 1:18:01 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("You tell them I'm comin...and hell's comin with me"!)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Google is a wonderful thing...


11,169 posted on 04/26/2007 1:18:07 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: pogo101

Done.


11,170 posted on 04/26/2007 1:18:09 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: b_sharp

“There really are no true Scotsmen.”

Then I guess that it’s a good thing that this is Constitutional Conservative site and not Scotland.


11,171 posted on 04/26/2007 1:18:33 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: sam_paine

Welcome to the thread that everyone in the blogosphere knows about.

There’s punch over at the table.


11,172 posted on 04/26/2007 1:19:11 PM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: sam_paine; calcowgirl
Just so there's no misunderstanding about which list you're asking to be added to:

Hey there! Put me on the “recently banned” ping list! =)

11,173 posted on 04/26/2007 1:19:14 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: rbmillerjr

I enjoy conundrums...I actually like to unknit them and figure out how they work...


11,174 posted on 04/26/2007 1:19:25 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: T'wit
>> ...well read enough to read the NY Times or Washington Post and know where they are coming from and take it with a grain of salt For gosh sakes, man, take them with AT LEAST a pound of salt, and then be certain to purify your body and mind afterward with a Quarter Pounder with cheese, half an hour in the shower, normal sex, and flushing 20-25 sheets of toilet paper whether you need any or not.

25 sheets of toilet paper? Haven't you heard about how horrible TP is for Global Warming. I read in Sports Illustrated that it's bad, so it must be true.


11,175 posted on 04/26/2007 1:19:56 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Bob J

If they choose to do it and the FReepers don’t object or ask that their names not be posted, that’s their business. Volunteering the information is one thing; demanding it is another.

It still isn’t anybody else’s business. I don’t care who donates and who doesn’t. All it does is lead to either pride, where someone can flaunt what they’ve given, or judgmentalism for what another is perceived for doing or not doing.

Donations shouldn’t be for bragging rights and to be used to push other people around.


11,176 posted on 04/26/2007 1:20:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: calcowgirl

Hey there! Put me on the “recently banned” ping list! =)


11,177 posted on 04/26/2007 1:20:34 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Well, I will just stick with my original premise that there were a bunch of long-time FReepers who were either never conservative to start with or had devolved into liberalism over a period of time. The fact remains that we don’t need people polluting a conservative forum with the notion that liberalism is the answer.


11,178 posted on 04/26/2007 1:21:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: L,TOWM; Knitting A Conundrum; txradioguy
The last dance of the RINO Ents.

Hmm.

Knitting: “It’s a conservative tent. They don’t 100% overlap.”

I've always thought FR is whatever it is at a given point, not what it sez on the intro page, nor what anybody wants it to be.

Kinda like a garden. Stuff grows, and it depends on what you consider a weed. So JimRob comes in and plows a bunch of stuff under, maybe the place becomes what he wants.

But I think it's interesting, that even here after the 'purge' Knitting and L'T and txradio all mix and match FR being a "conservative site" and others talking about the "RINOs being purged."

RINOs is not interchangeable with CINOs, if we are to believe that Conservative credentials are more important than Republican creds. Right?

11,179 posted on 04/26/2007 1:21:52 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: tarheelswamprat

I’m working to get caught up with the thread again, but needed to stop and give kudos to your great post. I couldn’t agree more!


11,180 posted on 04/26/2007 1:22:39 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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