Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
I haven't made my decision so I'm not pro or anti anyone other than McCain (and I've been anti-McCain since the day he became a senator for my state).
Most of those who support him are supporting him because of his stance on terror and because they have witnessed his stance first hand when he chased off Castro, Arafat, and tossed the $10 million check back into the face of the Saudi prince.
We need to back off on the nastiness and we need to stop attempting to censor free speech.
I am open-minded on Rudy. For me, the war with Islam, illegal immigration, and fiscal restraint are important. The other issues fall in line after that. Rudy's stance on immigration bothers me, however, I think he would be pretty good on the other two.
Some of the other candidates, like Romney and Hunter, I do not know much about. It's early, and I expect to see and hear more from the candidates in the coming months. The only GOP candidate I will not support is John McCain.
Please document verifiable sources for such an assertion and ping me when you post them. Thanks.
LOL! If you are trying to get to the facts then why don't you ask the posters who claim that Rudy is a fiscal socialist to verify their posts.
After that, you can then start by looking at Duncan Hunters voting record, for the massive Prescription Drug Benefit, the huge '05 Highway Bill (you know the one we all hated a couple of years ago) and the No Child Left Behind Bill.
After that, then do a google search on the the NYC budgets of Rudy.
If you have trouble with that, I'll be back in an hour to help you out.
Okay?
Hold on tight. I'm going to save your post so I can remind you about it when he wins. LOL!
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Giuliani | Clinton | Dem Platform | GOP Platform |
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Abortion on Demand | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
Partial Birth Abortion | Supports Opposed NY ban |
Supports | Supports | Opposes |
Roe v. Wade | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
Taxpayer Funded Abortions | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
Embryonic Stem Cell Research | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
Federal Marriage Amendment | Opposes | Opposes | Opposes Defined at state level |
Supports |
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
Openly Gay Military | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
Defense of Marriage Act | Opposes | Opposes | Opposes | Supports |
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens | Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens |
Opposes | Opposes | Opposes | Supports |
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law |
Supports | Supports | Supports | Opposes |
Protecting 2nd Amendment | Opposes |
Opposes | Opposes Supports bans |
Supports |
Confiscating Guns | Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged. |
Supports | Supports Supports bans |
Opposes |
'Assault' Weapons Ban | Supports | Supports | Supports | |
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers |
Supports Filed One Himself |
Supports | Opposes | |
Gun Registration/Licenses | Supports | Supports | Opposes | |
War in Afghanistan | Supports | Supports Voted for it |
Supports | Supports |
War in Iraq | Supports | Supports Voted for it |
Supports Weak support |
Supports |
Patriot Act | Supports | Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006 |
Opposes | Supports |
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- Those who support him because they believe he is the only Republican who can win and as such they are willing to ignore his liberal politics.
- And those who support him because his liberal politics most resemble their own.
I have a feeling that many in the second group feel attacked because they recognize that their liberal beliefs are incompatible with those of most FReepers.
Well, I suspect that the group #2 is fewer in number than the over-the-top personal attackers on Rudy are.
I guess you can call me a member of group #1, with the caveat that I do not believe that his presidency will be as liberal as you fear it will be.
You need to tell us that you feel really, really bad as a result. Then all of us can respond to your feelings with an outpouring of compassion. I mean, that is the liberal way to discuss issues, is it not?
I disagree. I think he would have a better chance of doing it than the other candidates.
Not voting for Gungrabiani.
And some here go into hysterics at the mere mention of such a thing. The battle lines are just beginning to be drawn.
Yep, exactly. They're not getting their way and their frustrations are showing. They were hoping that because of 9/11 and Hillary looming on the horizon, conservatives would automatically support Rudy and just disregard his socialist political past. The line in the sand has been drawn, and the days of conservatives supporting Republicans just because they're slightly less liberal than the Democrat are over.
Maybe that is because he is "pompous".
No. I said nothing of the sort. I don't believe I said anything that would lead anyone to believe that I endorse anything written in your comment.
This is what I believe - I am tired of the veer to the left taken by the Republican Party, clearly evident in its candidates and policy, and I can not support a candidate that endorses things that are unconstitutional and ideologically opposed to conservative principles.
Sooner or later we conservatives need to stop electing candidates that do nothing but appease leftists, put the security of our nation at risk, and get in the way of the rights of citizens to live freely and without government intrusion.
I view Rudy as one of those who does more harm to the cause than good.
so very articulate , we're all very glad you've kept your composure
Goshamighty, "Al." Lookin' like you and Rooty ain't too popular in these here parts. Ain't he from NooYawk City?
I see. So you're willing to bet my Constitutional rights and the rights of every single American on your belief.
And you're willing to do so in spite of all the evidence to the contrary which includes literally decades of his own words and actions.
Do you have any idea just how silly you sound?
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Let's see...that would gives us, correct me if I'm wrong - exactly two views of all aspects of our complex political and social life? Whoa...who's the control freak here. Haven't you noticed not every republican agrees with everything every other republicans agrees with?
I want government out of our social and cultural life. That's what churches and families are for. "The government that governs best is the government that governs least".
Anyway, I think Rudy Giuliani would make the best Commander-in-Chief. Plus, he has the executive experience I'm looking for in a president. That's why I'm supporting him.
I haven't read the whole thread, yet. I hope it hasn't already degenerated into name calling. The whole bot thing is silly when you consider we are discussing who would make the better nominee to run against the 'rats, and at the same time, make the best president.
LOL
The MSM would be just as pleased with either Rudy or Hilliary as President.
There is a Dragon out there waiting to try to devour everything near and dear to us, and the only real strong champion we have happens to be from NYC
Yea, and if it is left to Rudy, we citizens won't have the necessary arms to defend ourselves.
"We need a federal law that bans all assault weapons, and if in fact you do need a handgun you should be subjected to at least the same restrictions -- and really stronger ones -- that exist for driving an automobile. The United States Congress needs to pass uniform licensing for everyone carrying a gun." Rudy Giuliana Mar 1997.
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