Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
That is the new Democrat line...That NYC wasn't totally transformed under Guiliani.
Al, you are jumping the gun, and dare I say the shark, Rudy! hasn't won the nomination yet.
You got it! "This pimp for Rudy thinks FDR was the third best president so he never was a conservative just a troll socialist."
I also told him if he thinks Rudy Patudie is a conservitve then he is not one himself.
Its not 2008 yet!
Don't even try that Rudy is a conservative crap here.Maybe your idea of a conservative is someone who is anti-1st and anti-2nd amendment but not this American or most for that matter.
You Rudy supporters see his anti-constitution stance(with video proof), day in and day out and yet you still support him. That tells me you are not a conservative and you want to do away with the bedrock of this country, I.E. The Constitution of these United States of America.
A principled liberal doesn't shift in the wind either.
Rudy Giuliani sought to use his mayoral office to file baseless lawsuits against gun companies not for the purpose of winning money for his city, but rather for the purpose of putting them out of business. He clearly believed that, as mayor of one city, he had the authority to impose nationwide his own "gun control" agenda that legislatures had turned down.
I am unaware of his having repudiated his actions or sought to atone for them. Unless or until he does so, I see no reason to regard him as anything other than a gun-grabbing leftist.
I can't speak for Jim, but my faith will not allow me to vote for a man who won't work to overturn Roe vs. Wade. His positions on the 2nd Amendment, campaign finance reform, and immigration seal it for me.
Chalk me down as not voting or voting 3rd party.
Excellent essay!
"those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - ... see the 'Big Picture'."
And here is an example of the big picture:
Democrats say close to new Iraq resolution (to severely limit mission, start withdrawal)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1795144/posts
That's why we need to put the Dems back into minority.
They are h*ll bent on destroying this country by helping the terrorists find sanctuary in Iraq and the Middle Eeast.
If this is what they keep doing, knowing that President Bush will veto it, just think what will they do when they have a Dem President rubber stamping their bills.
THIS is what's at stake. Republicans and conservatives need to consider this. Some thought it's no big deal to have Nancy Pelosi as Speaker and Dems in power in Congress -- just look at what they are doing and they have only been in power for a little over a month.
Rudy is a Knight of the British Empire.
Why don't you Rudybots go create a RudyRepublic.com site and leave us the Hell alone. Just because we don't support your liberal Republican of a candidate doesn't mean we hate Rudy personally. Rudy's a liberal, and you can look down at us all you want with your hoity-toity attitude until the cows come home but it still won't change the fact that Rudy is a liberal.
McCain/Kerry F the POWS/MIAS
McCain/Feingold F free speech
McCain/Kennedy F American Sovereignty
McCain/Gang of 14
McCain/Keating 5
McCain/Terrorist Bill of Rights
McCain/gun grabber
More?
The Rudyites recognize that it's critical they silence discussion before the public learns too much about their candidate. The more primary voters learn about Giuliani, the less likely they are to vote for him. Hence the attempts to claim the primary is over and we need to rally behind Rudy.
Me too, Jim. Real Conservative is the ticket.
BTW, your Rudy/Caligula comparison is the EXACT kind of unfair, insulting, and over-the-top commentary that ignited me (and many other fair-minded Freepers) recently. It is counter-productive and does nothing but sow division and hard feelings.
We're NOT criticizing Rudy---we're merely recounting the well-known facts of his political life.
Rudy's activities are so heinous, the retelling SOUNDS like criticism.
That's his problem. Not ours.
Nice!! Love Freddy T! I'm all in on that one. (Re: Fred Thompson Running in 08)
So you're a Rudy fan, eh? There's a shocker...Arnold's biggest booster is also a Giuliani supporter. LOL.
He was good on taxes and crime. That's not enough for me to wish he was my president.
He talks about freedom but he's a tyrant at heart. That's fine for New York, they were practically begging for one for decades. It's not fine for the rest of the country. He's obsessed with gun control and abortion. WHy woiuld I want to give him the power to issue executive orders or sic his Department of Justice on somebody?
The level of discussion has deteriorated on this forum lately and when it comes to insulting Rudy AND his supporters, literally anything goes. Unbelievable. Originally there were rules here about personal attacks. Now they happen by the thousands.
thank you for an awesome post....very well stated, informative and not viscious or mean...just the truth:)
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