Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
It it the case that we can either have a good WOT president or a non-sociailist president but not both? Bush has been a good WOT president but the most socialist since FDR. I'd like to find someone who is good on the WOT and is not a socialist.
How about if we have a primary and vet the candidates? I know its old fashioned, but I'd like to have an election.
Personally, I would prefer a conservative for President, which means I'll push for a conservative in the Republican primary. After that is over, I'll decide whether I need to hold my nose or not in the general election.
There is absolutely no reason for a conservative to coronate Rudy right now.
This pimp for Rudy thinks FDR was the third best president so he never was a conservative just a troll socialist.
I don't even consider you an American, let alone a Southerner. You're certainly not a Conservative by any stretch of the imagination. Why don't you take your gun-grabbing, abortionist, homosexual agenda back to that communist country you say you are from.
I EMPHATICALLY do not accept the premise that Rudy is the only one who can beat Hillary--nor the premise that Hillary will even BE the DNC contender in 2008 (likely yes but not certain). I don't condemn those who vote third-party--from a related troubled conscience. I do insist that anyone who stays home and doesn't vote at all is foolish. FOOLISH. It is a stewardship issue, scripturally.
On to other matters. I must reject several of your premises.
First, you seem terrified at your premise that America is MOST at risk if SoCons pull the middle of the bell-shaped curve rightward and Rudy is not the (R) candidate. The reverse is the truth. The goal of Conservatism is not to drift to the morally-relative middle but rather to throw a lifeline of hope, grace and truth to those drifting along without moral anchor (he who hath ears, let him hear). As Rush says, "Conservativsm works every time it's tried."
You keep using the WOT as the single most crucial issue. I pray that from your eyes the blinders will fall. We have OTHER clear and present dangers in addition to the WOT.
"When in Rome, do as the Romans?" The Romans had a fabulous capacity to deal with a WOT via their military--yet collapsed morally--read Gibbon. The Jews in occupied Israel held on hope for fulfulment of God's promise that they would be FREED from Rome, which promise was fulfilled.
Another ancient fact--every 7th and especially every 49th year there was a Year of Jubilee, which is antithetical to Kelo, a huge **fiscal-conservatism** issue that Rudy seems to support.
The Bible is full of cautions against compromising with evildoers. One that comes to mind is in Proverbs and refers to a polluted spring sullied by mud, when the righteous compromise with evil. That is not self-righteous, that's those striving by the Grace of God to walk uprightly. Mr. Imperfect speaking here.
Our Pledge of Allegiance includes the phrase "One Nation Under God" and our Flag symbolizes sovereignty where it is raised. Surely you know something of the vile tyranny that results when any but God is the ultimate sovereign.
If it wasn't a spiritual battle, why would anti-God atheists have conspired to outlaw prayer in schools yet have no problem with Muslim indoctrination on campuses?
If it wasn't a spiritual battle, why would the same folks conspire to outlaw displays of the Ten Commandments on public grounds? I won't belabor this point further.
If you don't believe there is a conspiracy among evildoers, read about Gramsci, just for starters.
Rudy has done some heroic deeds. So did Caligula. But neither have shown anything but favor to those who practice evil.
A one issue candidate? Rudy will have to do better than that for my vote.
I resemble that remark. Here's another no.
Then by all means, go entertain yourself.
Ummm...wishful thinking. More likely it's the simplest answer - your post richly deserves the scorn being heaped upon it.
I like Rudy, but not as my president.
Not this vet.
But I am NOT. I am a Rabid 'fire-eater' by nature when I see what I perceive to be unfair characterizations and vicious undeserved attacks.
I guess my hope is that after I have taken the initial charge up the hill (and the verbal bullets), some of you who initially felt reluctant will get into the debate and make your voices heard!!
Giuliani, have you heard?
This is not Johannesberg!
Al Sharpton's favorite chant is still ringing in my ears.
"If he is nominated, the Repubs will lose the election. Period"
And well we should!
Same here.
At this point I liken the GOP to an abusive alcoholic husband and conservative voters are the wife who's been hit one too many times. The abusive husband is standing in the doorway with a fifth of whiskey in hand screaming demands and it isn't exactly inspiring a great deal of confidence.
Are political campaings PAYING people to come to conservative boards and endlessly promote their candidates?
I can only wonder if there isn't a PAID Rudy Blog Squad out there, so relentless are his promoters.
Edwards has them on staff, why not Rudy?
I like Rudy because he would be tough on terrorism. BUT, he would more than likely cave into the Dems on moral issues. His personal morals are not the greatest too. His first marriage was to a cousin.
McCain is my guy. I respect his military heroism and he right on the war and the moral issues. His loyalty to Bush is a good quality too. He was divorced. But, he has remained faithful to his second wife. We all can make a mistake and learn from it.
This how the MSM portrays Southerners. It is a LIE and that is why I believe most Southerners, many with misgivings, to be sure, will pull the lever for Rudy.
BRAVO!
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