Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
I sure don't see Rudy being the candidate in 2008, but of course I could be wrong. If he is, I will vote for him rather than having a democrat take the WH.
I also don't think the WOT is as up front in many of our fellow Americans' minds as it should be. Didn't seem to be such an issue in the last mid-term.
I'd probably vote for Rudy - if Al Sharpton was the democrat nominee. Rudy against Kucinich? I'd have to flip a coin.
He's like most other liberals, trying to convince us that he's really a conservative, you just can't tell by looking. Forget it, and forget convincing me that Rudy is our only hope. I refuse to believe that crap.
I am sure that, after last week, I have jumped pretty high on Jim's 'FReepers to monitor' list!!
Nothing nefarious implied in that statement, BTW. Its Jim's site, and its his job to keep an eye on 'troublemakers' - of which I have recently apparently become one.
Huh? What do you expect with such a silly post?
Here's a clue. Principles over personality.
How is what Rudy's doing so different from what Mitt's up to? Rudy has other people vouching for some presumed change of heart, while Mitt's making the case for some change on his part by himself. Their methods are different, but is what Rudy's camp is contending so different from what Mitt is saying: I thought this way once, but now I'll act differently?
Here's two more "no way" votes, me and Petronski. (He adds "Rudy's a principled conservative? LOL")
I'm right there with you!
I think most of here get the message.
You're telling me what this southern boy knows but I don't know that at all. Is this based on a position he's taken in regards to prosecuting the war?
If you can point me to where he's laid it out I'm sure willing to take a look and give it serious consideration.
Link please.
Now that's a funny joke right there.
Criticism and characterization of a candidate is fair game IMO--now if we could just stop calling each other names
Say hi to Jimmie Foxx and Lefty Grove : -)
"does not 'shift in the wind'."
Kinda like his sudden understanding and support of the 2nd Amendment? We "southerners" with our "regional prejudices" will not elect this Northern Elitist POLITICIAN. If he is nominated, the Repubs will lose the election. Period.
What you have succeeded in doing, sir, is dredge up the non-ending disagreements about this odd bird, Guiliani, whom you think is a conservative.
And if you think that he will get Southern votes, you are more than misguided, you are delusional. Just one issue (gun control) will sink that man in the South. And we don't particularly cotton to men who seem to enjoy dressing up as women. Neither do we approve of men (and I'm starting of weary of the word "men" because I am not sure he is fully masculine) who march in Gay Pride Parades right behind the despicable NAMBLA crowd clapping his hands (there is a tape of this by the way somewhere, I'm told).
Forgive me for stopping here since I didn't read your entire post (blood pressure concerns, you know). Just wanted you to know that this Southern thinks Giuliani is one of the worst things that could happen to the Republican Party. You'll live to see it.
I'm tired of compromising my principles for the sake of a party that doesn't represent my values any more than the other.
I forgive you for that little error :-)
It's your 15 minutes! Just remember all of us little people.
You sure are an arrogant little thing, aren't you?
I lived in New York from 1981 til 2004, and cannot support Rudy. So tell me, what are the "regional prejudices" you believe I cannot see beyond?
How so?
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