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Navy rejects Calif. sonar limits
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 2/13/7 | AUDREY McAVOY

Posted on 02/14/2007 12:45:18 PM PST by SmithL

The Navy says it won't comply with sonar training restrictions that aim to protect marine mammals off the California coast, arguing that the commission that imposed the rules does not have the jurisdiction to do so.

The U.S. Pacific Fleet said in a statement Monday that the California Coastal Commission's rules cannot be applied beyond the scope of state waters, three nautical miles from shore.

"The Navy does not take lightly our responsibility to the environment and marine life," said Vice Adm. Barry Costello, commander of the U.S. 3rd Fleet in San Diego. "And we can be responsible environmental stewards while our sonar operators receive realistic training and experience at sea they need."

The Navy has been using sonar during training exercises off the California coast for decades, a practice that critics say can injure whales and other sea mammals. Last year, it sought permission for the exercises from the commission as part of new internal guidelines to ensure major exercises are environmentally sound.

The commission agreed to the exercises last month. But it also imposed restrictions on use of mid-frequency active sonar in a zone the Navy said was outside the commission's jurisdiction.

Mark Delaplaine, a project analyst for the commission, said members might take up the issue later in the week.

"We've got some stuff to think about and figure out as to what a proper response would be," he said.

Environmentalists on Tuesday criticized the Navy's decision, accusing it of denying the commission's authority to protect mammals off its coast. The Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group that has sued to stop other Navy sonar training, vowed to sue if the coastal commission does not.

"The notion that the commission is pre-empted from protecting marine mammals off the California coast is not only without any legal basis but it is in direct contradiction to the fact that the commission has been doing exactly that for decades under the federal law protecting our coasts," said Joel Reynolds of the Natural Resources Defense Council.

Environmentalists say whales have stranded themselves on beaches after being exposed to high-intensity mid-frequency sonar. The sonar is also claimed to interfere with the ability of marine mammals to navigate, hunt, take care of their offspring and avoid predators.

The Navy acknowledges mid-frequency active sonar can contribute to marine mammal injury, or even death. It says it takes steps to protect marine mammals, such as posting lookouts on board to watch for marine mammals nearby.

But the Pacific Fleet said the commission's rules would prevent the Navy from training sailors to use sonar to track enemy submarines. It has made anti-submarine warfare training a top priority, as other nations, including China, have acquired submarines that are quieter and harder to detect.


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1 posted on 02/14/2007 12:45:20 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

This is going to raise a ruckus, with all the nut cases...


2 posted on 02/14/2007 12:47:18 PM PST by Quick Shot
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To: Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; ..
ACTIVE PING! ) ) ) )
3 posted on 02/14/2007 12:48:13 PM PST by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: SmithL
The U.S. Pacific Fleet said in a statement Monday that the California Coastal Commission's rules cannot be applied beyond the scope of state waters, three nautical miles from shore.

Yep.

4 posted on 02/14/2007 12:50:24 PM PST by GATOR NAVY (Naming CVNs after congressmen and mediocre presidents burns my butt)
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To: SmithL
California Coastal Commission

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5 posted on 02/14/2007 12:52:21 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Quick Shot

Ruckus... Bring it on BABY!


6 posted on 02/14/2007 12:57:18 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: SmithL

Excellent! Eat it, enviroweenies.


7 posted on 02/14/2007 12:58:26 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: SmithL
Last year, it sought permission for the exercises from the commission as part of new internal guidelines to ensure major exercises are environmentally sound.

There's the problem.

8 posted on 02/14/2007 1:00:59 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: SmithL

The environmentalists have a point in this case, high powered sonar waves do blind and deafen whales and other sea creatures. The mass beachings of whales that have occurred in Australia and California over the past few years might very well have been caused by naval sonars.


9 posted on 02/14/2007 1:13:19 PM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: BIGLOOK

Navy spanks the liberal bump!


10 posted on 02/14/2007 1:13:38 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SmithL

How can people live in California with all the rules and regs?!!


11 posted on 02/14/2007 1:14:37 PM PST by Redcitizen (My other OmniMech is a Masakari)
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To: SmithL

"One ping, please..."
12 posted on 02/14/2007 1:33:22 PM PST by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: Zeroisanumber

No evidence to support that. Whales have been beaching long before the invention of radar


13 posted on 02/14/2007 1:33:43 PM PST by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: Quick Shot
Commies will allege anything to inconvenience the US military. Bank on it.
14 posted on 02/14/2007 1:36:05 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Redcitizen

I couldn't--hence one of the main reasons I left.


15 posted on 02/14/2007 1:38:34 PM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Constitution Day

Yeah, and you weenie marine mammals too...


16 posted on 02/14/2007 1:40:26 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Zeroisanumber

You are 100% correct. 250-300db sound will travel a long ways under water.


17 posted on 02/14/2007 1:41:42 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Graycliff
No evidence to support that.

Huh? Even the Navy admits that it can do damage.

Whales have been beaching long before the invention of radar

And people died before the invention of the automobile but that doesn't mean a lethal MVA is "natural causes!"

18 posted on 02/14/2007 1:44:07 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SmithL

Good.Im so sick of environazis.National defense comes first hippies.


19 posted on 02/14/2007 1:44:57 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Graycliff

Not like they have with active LFA. Lack of evidence only means we can't ask the whales where/how much it hurts. There is no way to prove it does or doesn't...but that certainly doesn't mean it's not a cause. The report from European a military source in the Med, when an active LFA ship was working near Crete, resulted in the near death of a diver, 100s of miles away.


20 posted on 02/14/2007 1:46:06 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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