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New climate report too rosy, experts say (dire "Global Warming" predictions may be "sugarcoated")
Associated Press ^ | 01/29/07 | SETH BORENSTEIN

Posted on 01/29/2007 6:42:15 AM PST by presidio9

Later this week in Paris, climate scientists will issue a dire forecast for the planet that warns of slowly rising sea levels and higher temperatures. But that may be the sugarcoated version.

Early and changeable drafts of their upcoming authoritative report on climate change foresee smaller sea level rises than were projected in 2001 in the last report. Many top U.S. scientists reject these rosier numbers. Those calculations don't include the recent, and dramatic, melt-off of big ice sheets in two crucial locations:

They "don't take into account the gorillas — Greenland and Antarctica," said Ohio State University earth sciences professor Lonnie Thompson, a polar ice specialist. "I think there are unpleasant surprises as we move into the 21st century."

Michael MacCracken, who until 2001 coordinated the official U.S. government reviews of the international climate report on global warming, has fired off a letter of protest over the omission.

The melting ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica are a fairly recent development that has taken scientists by surprise. They don't know how to predict its effects in their computer models. But many fear it will mean the world's coastlines are swamped much earlier than most predict.

Others believe the ice melt is temporary and won't play such a dramatic role.

That debate may be the central one as scientists and bureaucrats from around the world gather in Paris to finish the first of four major global warming reports by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The panel was created by the United Nations in 1988.

After four days of secret word-by-word editing, the final report will be issued Friday.

The early versions of the report predict that by 2100 the sea level will rise anywhere between 5 and 23 inches. That's far lower than the 20 to 55 inches forecast by 2100 in a study published in the peer-review journal Science this month. Other climate experts, including NASA's James Hansen, predict sea level rise that can be measured by feet more than inches.

The report is also expected to include some kind of proviso that says things could be much worse if ice sheets continue to melt.

The prediction being considered this week by the IPCC is "obviously not the full story because ice sheet decay is something we cannot model right now, but we know it's happening," said Stefan Rahmstorf, a climate panel lead author from Germany who made the larger prediction of up to 55 inches of sea level rise. "A document like that tends to underestimate the risk," he said.

"This will dominate their discussion because there's so much contentiousness about it," said Bob Corell, chairman of the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, a multinational research effort. "If the IPCC comes out with significantly less than one meter (about 39 inches of sea level rise), there will be people in the science community saying we don't think that's a fair reflection of what we know."

In the past, the climate change panel didn't figure there would be large melt of ice in west Antarctica and Greenland this century and didn't factor it into the predictions. Those forecasts were based only on the sea level rise from melting glaciers (which are different from ice sheets) and the physical expansion of water as it warms.

But in 2002, Antarctica's 1,255-square-mile Larsen B ice shelf broke off and disappeared in just 35 days. And recent NASA data shows that Greenland is losing 53 cubic miles of ice each year — twice the rate it was losing in 1996.

Even so, there are questions about how permanent the melting in Greenland and especially Antarctica are, said panel lead author Kevin Trenberth, chief of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado.

While he said the melting ice sheets "raise a warning flag," Trenberth said he wonders if "some of this might just be temporary."

University of Alabama at Huntsville professor John Christy said Greenland didn't melt much within the past thousand years when it was warmer than now. Christy, a reviewer of the panel work, is a prominent so-called skeptic. He acknowledges that global warming is real and man-made, but he believes it is not as worrisome as advertised.

Those scientists who say sea level will rise even more are battling a consensus-building structure that routinely issues scientifically cautious global warming reports, scientists say. The IPCC reports have to be unanimous, approved by 154 governments — including the United States and oil-rich countries such as Saudi Arabia — and already published peer-reviewed research done before mid-2006.

Rahmstorf, a physics and oceanography professor at Potsdam University in Germany, says, "In a way, it is one of the strengths of the IPCC to be very conservative and cautious and not overstate any climate change risk."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: backoffimascientist; globalwarming; globalwarmingtheory; itscalledgreenland; junkscience; whateverwesayitmeans
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1 posted on 01/29/2007 6:42:18 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Gonna overplay their hand.


2 posted on 01/29/2007 6:43:07 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Feingold - 2008 ... "Shut Up or Go To Prison")
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To: presidio9
The melting ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica are a fairly recent development

Except that other parts of Antarctica are accumulating MORE ice.

3 posted on 01/29/2007 6:44:00 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08 - rationalization not required, he IS a conservative already)
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To: presidio9
Of course the report is rosy! They already SOLVED global warming! :)
4 posted on 01/29/2007 6:44:41 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: presidio9
So the sugarcoated version is: "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!"

And the plain and straight version would be . . . ?

5 posted on 01/29/2007 6:45:08 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: presidio9

The more they do their hand wringing, the more dire the problem, the less I am caring. Shame they don't put all this energy into predicting our future if the worlds tyrants aren't stopped.


6 posted on 01/29/2007 6:45:49 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: presidio9

Well, we'd all just better kill ourselves right now, then. Global Warming advocates first, though. It's only fair. :)


7 posted on 01/29/2007 6:46:25 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Tanniker Smith
"WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE...TOMORROW!!!!!!!"
8 posted on 01/29/2007 6:46:57 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: presidio9
Snowfall-Driven Growth in East Antarctic Ice Sheet Mitigates Recent Sea-Level Rise

Curt H. Davis,1* Yonghong Li,1 Joseph R. McConnell,2 Markus M. Frey,3 Edward Hanna4

Satellite radar altimetry measurements indicate that the East Antarctic ice-sheet interior north of 81.6°S increased in mass by 45 ± 7 billion metric tons per year from 1992 to 2003. Comparisons with contemporaneous meteorological model snowfall estimates suggest that the gain in mass was associated with increased precipitation. A gain of this magnitude is enough to slow sea-level rise by 0.12 ± 0.02 millimeters per year.

1 Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Missouri–Columbia, Columbia, MO 65211, USA.

2 Desert Research Institute, University and Community College System of Nevada, Reno, NV 89512, USA.

3 Department of Hydrology and Water Resources, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721, USA.

4 Department of Geography, University of Sheffield, Sheffield S10 2TN, UK.

* To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: davisch@missouri.edu

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/308/5730/1898

9 posted on 01/29/2007 6:47:50 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Feingold - 2008 ... "Shut Up or Go To Prison")
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To: presidio9
In a way, it is one of the strengths of the IPCC to be very conservative and cautious and not overstate any climate change risk

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Man, and I thought Germans didn't do comedy.

The IPCC wouldn't freaking EXIST if it didn't spend all its time creating fear and terror with its fake hockey-stick graph - the one that fails to show the Medieval Warm period and the Mini Ice Age. The IPCC knows nothing about climate change - and everything about staying in business.

10 posted on 01/29/2007 6:48:07 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: presidio9

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


11 posted on 01/29/2007 6:48:09 AM PST by Dallas59 (HAPPY NEW YEAR 2007!)
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To: presidio9

So, the recent lies weren't big enough, so lie real, REAL big hoping to fall back on the lesser lies? Pathetic. This is what passes for science in the 21st century?


12 posted on 01/29/2007 6:48:13 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: presidio9
The real reason for pushing Global Warming Hysteria.

“would cost the average American family more than $2,700 a year while having no measurable impact on global temperature.”

13 posted on 01/29/2007 6:48:38 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: indylindy
But many fear it will mean the world's coastlines are swamped much earlier than most predict.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you have a frozen glass of water, and then you let it thaw, doesn't the water level go down? Hence why you should never freeze a completely full bottle of water...
So why would melting ice raise the sea level?

14 posted on 01/29/2007 6:49:11 AM PST by tearlenb
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To: dirtboy
The melting ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica are a fairly recent development

Except that other parts of Antarctica are accumulating MORE ice.

Everything I've read points to thicker ice in Antartica, especially the mass at the center, that is growing in height, weight and mass.
15 posted on 01/29/2007 6:49:20 AM PST by samtheman
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To: presidio9
Sugar coat? That's putting it nicely.
16 posted on 01/29/2007 6:50:55 AM PST by oyez ( My karma ran over your dogma.)
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To: presidio9
What don't they comprehend about :

Greenland.

17 posted on 01/29/2007 6:52:40 AM PST by SouthTexas (It's snowing in Texas, where is OUR global warming?)
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To: presidio9

I walked out on the middle of the lake this morning but it isn't because I'm holy. It's because there is 6 to 8 inches of rock hard globull warming covering it.


18 posted on 01/29/2007 6:54:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: presidio9

I just got a batch of hyperventilating "end global warming" e-mails from my loony liberal cousins. One of them says she's only gonna fill the tank of her huge SUV only twice per month ... fat chance, as her kids are all very active in sports. No word on whether her husband will comply. Or whether they'll refuse to use their speedboat this summer.


19 posted on 01/29/2007 6:55:37 AM PST by r9etb
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To: cripplecreek
It's because there is 6 to 8 inches of rock hard global warming covering it.

LOL

20 posted on 01/29/2007 6:56:09 AM PST by agere_contra
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