Vanity: The '08 presidential election and GOP's future

bushfamfan | 1/3/07 | bushfamfan

[bushfamfan]

It I just want to start a thread considering what the future of the GOP is with the primaries and 2008 election coming up. Many seem to think we are better to go in a route that has Giuliani, McCain or Romney as our nominee because they "can win" but what happens if they are our nominee and don't win?

Should those who think the GOP is heading in the wrong direction continue to stay in the party if we now think the party should move more to being 'moderates'? And that is what our party continues to give us? Do people really think these are the best for our nominees and our future?

It would be best for conservatives to vote for them if they are the eventual nominees because the Demonrats are always worse but if these GOP nominees don't win what is the sense in conservatives staying in the party when the party is abandoning the principles in the name of what

[bushfamfan]

I just want to start a thread considering what the future of the GOP is with the primaries and 2008 election coming up. Many seem to think we are better to go in a route that has Giuliani, McCain or Romney as our nominee because they "can win", but what happens if they are our nominee and don't win?

Should those who think the GOP is heading in the wrong direction continue to stay in the party if the party thinks it should be more 'moderate'? And that is what our party continues to give us? Do people really think these are the best for our nominees and our future?

It would be best for conservatives to vote for them if they are the eventual nominees because the Demonrats are always worse(sad it has come to just that), but if these GOP nominees don't win what is the sense in conservatives staying in the party when the party is abandoning the conservative principles and candidates with the agenda? All in the name of what people think will win?

[bushfamfan]

My post came out wrong in the one at top. Same post written below. But what does everyone think about the future of the GOP and the upcoming election?

[Antoninus]

It I just want to start a thread considering what the future of the GOP is with the primaries and 2008 election coming up. Many seem to think we are better to go in a route that has Giuliani, McCain or Romney as our nominee because they "can win" but what happens if they are our nominee and don't win?

None of those guys will win. Running them assumes that the Democrats and MSM aren't smart enough to play up a Third Party candidate to run to Rudy McRomney's right.

Underestimating one's enemies is a grave mistake.

Rudy McRomney will never be president.

[TomGuy]

Review the recent FR polls.

If the GOP annoints certain names, they are headed for a loss in 08.

The isssue is this: who controls the party? The country-club big-business globalist Republicans or the conservative Republicans?

The answer determines who wins the nomination, and they are not one-in-the-same, as GWB has shown to be.

[bushfamfan]

But what is the future of the party? Do you plan to vote for Rudy McRomney is they are the nominee? And what if they are given to us and still don't win after we've been told Duncan Hunter has no chance? We are supposed to go down losing with something packaged similar to a Demonrat?

[roses of sharon]

Republican and Conservative voters, office holders, and our small media, are driven by the MSM, as evidenced by the Nov elections.

Therefore we lose no matter what.

[Antoninus]

But what is the future of the party? Do you plan to vote for Rudy McRomney is they are the nominee?

I won't vote for Giuliani under any circumstances. Romney I'm about 70% likely NOT to vote for in the general election. McCain is 50/50. I won't work for or give money to any of the above. And I'm moderate compared to many folks I know.

And what if they are given to us and still don't win

They won't win. I'm telling you right now. They're squishes on the issues that matter to people in the base and all three have so much baggage, the media will eat them alive.

...after we've been told Duncan Hunter has no chance? We are supposed to go down losing with something packaged similar to a Demonrat?

Told by who? A bunch of front-running bandwagon jumpers on FR? I expect Hunter to run strong. The lemmings are content to follow Rudy McRomney right off a cliff because they think he can win. When Hunter starts showing up in the polls, the dynamic will change.

[umgud]

I think the GOP will come out on top in '08 at least in congress. I don't know about the the presidency........ too early to tell.

But let me make a longer range predition; Because of the amnesty I'll bet we get in '07 or '08, there will be enough Latino votes by 2016 to finish off and kill the GOP.

[bushfamfan]

I thought Republican voters were more wise knowing how the MSM works?!

[Antoninus]

Therefore we lose no matter what.

Oh please. What are you, French? Surrendering before the battle is even joined?

[bushfamfan]

Have you seen my tagline? I've been pushing Hunter way before he made an announcement in Oct. I just notice a lot of the posts saying "who?" and seem to think only the names will save us. We need a strong messenger; Hunter is that. And I think he's the perfect conservative to get the message but people seem to be trending towards the Rudy McRomneys? The party will go down if it doesn't show some direction and fight.

[roses of sharon]

Na, they just talk big. (as seen on FR)

When the going gets tough, we throw anyone with "bad press" overboard.

[srmorton]

I am about as conservative as you can get and have always liked and admired Duncan Hunter. I agree that he would make a great POTUS, but I do not believe he can win. I don't really trust Romney. McPain is totally unacceptable to me, but Rudy is not. The social issues will not matter if we do not win the war against Islamofacism. Rudy "gets it" when it comes to the most important issue of our time.

[bushfamfan]

You are right. All trends are there in who we are letting into this country. It's the enemy within! But we will be more killed by the terrorists at that point because we will be in a more state welfare mode preaching peace by useless idiots.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

I don't consider Giuliani, McCain or Romney as "moderates", they are way to the left of center. I've supported a set of principles and ideals since I first voted in 1964, and I'm not about to violate that practice now.

[Alberta's Child]

My prediction is that 2008 will be a repeat of 1996. McCain will be the tired old Republican nominee, and the GOP will go down to a historic defeat even if the Democrats nominate a bag of rocks.

[bushfamfan]

Now your's is the opinion I am talking about! You say yourself how you like Duncan Hunter but don't think he can win. Don't you think he's strong in response when you've seen him on the shows? There are not many Republicans with spines-Hunter is one! But if those 'winnable' nominees don't win, then what? Having to continually settle for watered down principles until there are none?

[Antoninus]

The social issues will not matter if we do not win the war against Islamofacism.

On the contrary, if we give up on the "social issues", the war on Islamofascism will be lost without a doubt. It will only be a matter of time.

The war against radical Islam won't be won with guns, friend.

[bushfamfan]

I'm with you. They are liberal on a lot of especially social issues, but they are basically conservative/Republican on terrorism and economics.

[roses of sharon]

LOL, just realistic.

As I have said for over a decade, the MSM, Hollywood, DC bureaucracy, and Academia run this country, patriots are mere quests in their house.