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New York population fails to grow since 2005 (NY to lose 2 electoral votes)
The Citizen ^ | 12/22/06

Posted on 12/22/2006 2:29:22 PM PST by LdSentinal

ALBANY - Thousands of people left New York for other parts of the country last year, making it one of only three states that failed to grow since 2005, according to census estimates released Friday.

New York's estimated population on July 1 was 19.3 million, a drop of 9,538 from a year earlier, the U.S. Census Bureau reported. That drop is minuscule - 0.0005 percent - and based on estimates rather than an actual count. But census demographers say it shows New York's population remained virtually unchanged over the year.

New York and other Northeast states have suffered for years as residents - often young people just out of college - head to the Southwest and other high-growth areas.

The new estimates provide evidence that is still happening: 255,766 more people moved out of New York to other states than into the state between 2005 and 2006. Part of that exodus can be attributed to immigrants who came into the country through New York City and then moved on, often to areas with a lower cost of living.

But Robert Ward of the Business Council of New York State said it can be partly attributed to people heading to Texas and other states that are growing jobs at a faster rate.

“People are moving elsewhere in search of opportunities that they're not finding in New York,” Ward said.

The Census did not provide geographic breakdowns Friday. But population losses and jobs have been particular problems in upstate New York. Gov.-elect Eliot Spitzer has promised to place the upstate economy high on his agenda after he takes office Jan. 1.

The only other states to post population losses were Katrina-ravaged Louisiana, Michigan and Rhode Island. The District of Columbia also lost people. New York's neighbors all recorded growth under 1 percent.

The Census reported that the Northeast grew by 62,000 people.

E.J. McMahon, director of the fiscally conservative Empire Center for New York State Policy, said that other Northeast states did not lose people at the same rate as New York. He said New York and other states that lost people quickly tended to have high living costs (like downstate) and sluggish economies (like upstate).

McMahon said those problems can be addressed through policies to spur economic growth, like lower taxes and fewer mandates in New York.

“You can't say 'We can't because it's cold and old,' because there are other cold and old places that are not shrinking like New York state.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: census; depopulation; immigration; liberal; migration; newyork; population; rustbelt
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To: oceanview
NYC metro population is growing

It's growing, but its barely growing.

61 posted on 12/22/2006 8:42:07 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: mtbopfuyn

Property taxes skyrocked in Nevada, too, with the huge influx and the need for more and more schools, roads, police, fire, etc.


62 posted on 12/22/2006 8:45:39 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: LdSentinal

They all moved to Florida.


63 posted on 12/22/2006 8:46:36 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I don't march to other people's opinion of me or my beliefs. I march to my beliefs and heart.)
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To: taxed2death

It only works that way in states having something like Prop 13 in California. We are working toward a Prop-13 here in Arizona, because rising property taxes due to influx is killing people here just like the people in Texas and Nevada, etc.


64 posted on 12/22/2006 8:48:41 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Radix

A great start would be not returning Jon Carry to the Senate in two years.


65 posted on 12/22/2006 8:50:06 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: XRdsRev

Absolutely! And guess who is buying the real estate? Foreigners. Ever read the luxury homes mags? Who is buying this real estate? The Donald?


66 posted on 12/22/2006 9:00:12 PM PST by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Emmett, rest assured that not ALL escapees (I mean NYers) wish to "change your way of life."

Take myself and my family, for instance: I was born and raised in NYC, got married, and moved to Eastern Long Island. I have always detested city life, even as a child. Long Island is pretty, but WAAAAAYYY too crowded and the taxes are killer. It's what Queens was 30 years ago, only more expensive.

When my husband and I are finally free to leave (he's got 16 years on the police force), we WILL leave NY for (literally) greener pastures.

We will not purchase a newly-built home because we like the way you built 'em 100 years ago, so we won't be contributing to the overdevelopment problem. We will not stick our noses into our neighbor's business -- in fact, I hope to one day have a home where when I look out the window, everything I see, I own. I'd like to have a place with a mid-sized house and a TON of land so we can have a couple of horses, and maybe a pond or a stream with some trout in it. Hunting (for hubby, sons, and dog) should be nearby.

The children will not tax the public school system because they will be attending Catholic or military schools (and they speak English!).

I want to live in a place where folks say, "Good morning!" just because they passed you on the way into the grocery store or coffee shop, even if they've never seen you before, and I'll be happy to say "Good morning!" right back at 'em.

I want to live somewhere where, even while "not sticking your nose into other people's business," neighbors come to your aid if you need it (this actually happens in NY, too, BTW...really). I'd just like to KNOW my neighbors better, and have them over for supper and stuff.

And finally, once, just ONCE in my life, I would like to be represented in Congress by someone for whom I've actually voted. Believe it or not, this has never happened for me, though I've lived in three different counties in my day.

Fear not, Emmett! Some of us want to JOIN in your way of life, not change it.

Best regards for a very Merry Christmas,


67 posted on 12/22/2006 9:01:20 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: Tzimisce

Too bad there's no way to tell them it was their liberal ideas that ruined their home town, and your conservative ideals that keep your town home.


68 posted on 12/22/2006 9:03:20 PM PST by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: oceanview

It would be a good buy to get a lake home in upstate New York.


69 posted on 12/22/2006 9:03:50 PM PST by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: wintertime

I guess that shows that rational and safe people don't need to be able to read.


70 posted on 12/22/2006 9:06:46 PM PST by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: VermiciousKnid

Funny, I grew up in Queens Village in the 50s and early 60s. My cousins from Brooklyn and Woodside thought we lived "in the country". I'm glad for those who come as genuine "asylum seekers". One of my childhood friend from Queens Village (retired NYFD) just recently moved to Chattanooga and, while he'll never lose the accent, he's thrilled with a new way of life.


71 posted on 12/22/2006 9:10:29 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: LdSentinal

At some point, NYC will be 90% foreign, with 10% native Americans consisting of the elite whites.


72 posted on 12/22/2006 9:11:01 PM PST by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: LdSentinal

Hevesi skates and gets replaced by another dem crook

http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=43516


73 posted on 12/22/2006 9:11:47 PM PST by Peelod (Decentia est fragilis. Curatoribus validis indiget.)
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To: LdSentinal

But, but, on day one everything changes.

http://albanysinsanity.com/


74 posted on 12/22/2006 9:22:56 PM PST by The Mayor ( http://albanysinsanity.com/)
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To: huldah1776
Sorry, for not being clear.

The literacy rate in my new county ( a red state) is near 100%. The ILLITERACY rate in my old rural county of Cecil County Maryland in the 1990s was about 20%. Cecil County had about a 1% immigrant population.

Cecil County, Maryland, schools were a disaster.
75 posted on 12/22/2006 11:20:05 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: taxed2death
At least us Yankees (when we move south) pay our fair share of the tax burden. When we buy houses and get good jobs (on the books) we pay our own way, just as YOU do. The same can not be said of illegals.

Fair enough, now can you tell some of the dumber immigrants to STOP telling us how they did it up there and to never try to give a Texan lessons on BBQ ?

The first part is annoying, the second part can get said Yankee shot.

76 posted on 12/22/2006 11:34:55 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Gov't: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it)
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To: LdSentinal

While 2010 is a fascinating period for the electoral college shift...just wait till 2020. The same states losing in 2010...will continue to lose in 2020. The significance of some of these states will start to erode. Too bad we can do anything about senators.


77 posted on 12/22/2006 11:38:01 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice
Lets say NY loses 2 by 2010 and another 2 by 2020. That's 4 right there. If all other New England states continue to lose 4 by 2010 and another 4 by 2020. That will be a combined 12 seats in New England/New York region alone.

It will make issues from New England less relevant in the nation.

78 posted on 12/22/2006 11:48:46 PM PST by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
"Property taxes skyrocked in Nevada,"

The total amount of Nevada state taxes collected has risen nicely because of population and business increases. Property taxes reflect an increase in property values not increased tax rates.

Nevada ranks 43rd in per capita state, county and local taxes collected in 2006(that means there are only 7 states have lower state taxes than Nevada).

yitbos

79 posted on 12/23/2006 12:12:24 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Emmett McCarthy; Centurion2000
>> I just don't want them coming to where I live and trying to change our way of life. There's a bumper sticker I've seen that reads, "We Don't CARE How You Did It Up North". Read it. Learn it. Don't forget it. And you'll be welcome. The idea is WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT THEIR WAY. Too many want to move here and tell us how we need to raise taxes so as to provide for the "cultural benefits" they're so used to. And, then, tell us how we ought to change our ways where guns are concerned. That is not welcome here as far as I'm concerned. <<

Fair enough. How about all you guys tells down south do the same and tell YOUR residents to stop lecturing people up north on how to live when they move here? I mean, you guys do realize we have SOUTHERN TRANSPLANTS, right? You whine about all the "liberals" coming down south, well, let's see what we got here in Illinois:

1) Jesse Jackson moved up here and set up camp and started Rainbow-PUSH. Jesse sure as hell isn't "one of us", he was born and raised in South Carolina . I don't CARE what happened to him in "Selma", he should have stayed there to whine about it.

2) Bobby Rush moved up here and set up camp and started the Illinois Black Panthers. Bobby sure as hell isn't "one of us", he was born and raised in Georgia . I don't CARE that he wants "reparations" for what happened to him in Georgia, he should have stayed there to whine about it.

3) John Stroger moved up here and took control of the Cook County Board in Chicago, and immediately began doling out welfare and turned Chicago into a "sancurity city" for illegal aliens, to make up for "injustices" he expeirenced in his home state John sure as hell isn't "one of us", he was born and raised in Arkansas . I don't CARE about the poor living conditions he had in Arkansas that he feels the need to tax people out of existance in Illinois to make up for, he should have stayed there to whine about it.

So you see, it cuts both ways. The demographics of the Chicagoland area have changed vastly in the past couple of decades (not to mention the politics, as the suburbs NEVER used to be liberal Democrat controlled), and we have plenty of "liberal transplants" from the SOUTH coming here and telling us how to run our state.

80 posted on 12/23/2006 12:35:34 AM PST by BillyBoy (Don't blame Illinois for Pelosi -- we elected ROSKAM)
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