Posted on 11/24/2006 6:46:08 PM PST by kristinn
I'm reading an astonishing number of comments on Free Republic these days by posters who have joined the ranks of the anti-American left in calling for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Some claim to have military experience, some claim to be patriotic Americans and some claim to be smarter than the rest.
These posters are joining the Murtha-Rangel-McDermott treason caucus. Oh, they say they love the troops, but their decision to abandon them in the field speaks otherwise.
Three years ago, the United States led an international coalition to rid the world of one of the worst regimes on the planet. Saddam Hussein was an international terrorist: He financed terrorism, he trained terrorists and he harbored terrorists. He waged war on Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Israel. He waged war on the people of Iraq, including genocidal campaigns against the Kurds in the north and the marsh Arabs in the south.
Saddam successfully subverted the Oil-for-Food program and was wearing down support for continuing the sanctions keeping him in check.
He had numerous contacts with al Qaeda over the years. He tried to assassinate a former U.S. president. He maintained research capabilities to implement nuclear, chemical and biological weapons as soon as the sanctions were lifted. There is evidence that some of these programs would have been operational within a year even with the sanctions in place.
The decision to remove Saddam and his regime as part of the Global War on Terror was correct.
Three-and-a-half years after Iraq and the world were liberated from Saddam and his terrorist regime, there are those on Free Republic who are clamoring to give up, surrender, cut and run, stab the troops in the back, betray the Iraqis, betray our allies in the GWOT, spit on the graves of our fallen heroes and join Cindy Sheehan, Medea Benjamin and Ramsey Clark in bringing about America's defeat in the GWOT.
It's only been three-and-a-half years--only six months since the freely elected government in Iraq was formed. In that time, what has been called a mini-Marshall Plan of construction and reconstruction has come to fruition. The Iraqis have held three national elections, they have held numerous local elections, fourteen out of eighteen Iraq provinces are relatively peaceful and stable.
Six months ago, when the Iraqi government was formed, the experts said the war would be taken to Baghdad because our enemies in the region could not abide the example of a free, democratic society in the Middle East. For once, the experts were right. The battle of Baghdad has been a prolonged Tet Offensive style operation of headline-grabbing attacks intended to sap the morale of Americans and Iraqis alike.
From what I've been reading on Free Republic lately, a lot of Freepers have fallen for the enemy's ploy and are howling like barking moonbats for our immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Some of that talk is couched in talk of 'we're fighting a PC war like Vietnam!' The soldiers I met in Iraq recently told Debra Argel Bastian to pass on a message to the Vietnam vets criticizing the war: With all due respect to your service, this is not Vietnam. It is not being fought like Vietnam. Please let us finish our mission.
But our enemy is playing the Vietnam ploy to great benefit. They know they can count on the American and world media to broadcast their propaganda. They work with leftist Americans to sabotage the war effort at home. They know these leftist Americans have allies in the Democratic party. They know they do not need a military victory--only political and psychological victories are needed to defeat America.
You guys are playing right in to their hands. Congratulations.
There are those who argue that murder and dictatorship is the mindset of the Middle East and that will not be changed by our actions. Funny how those who smugly denigrate the Arab peoples' capacity for freedom forget the wholesale slaughter of millions of Westerners by Westerners at the hands of Western dictatorships just a few generations past.
I hear complaints that the Iraqis aren't standing up. Yet, to use one common example, when police recruits are slaughtered in bombings, Iraqis line up the next day at the same recruiting center. The insurgency is small in number, but they are able to do enough damage on a daily basis to stretch out the time it will take to secure the whole of Iraq.
At this time of our testing, the American people are starting to go wobbly. Sadly, many Freepers are too. Our troops and their Commander-in-Chief are not, thank God. It's only been three-and-a-half years. The progress made has been phenomonal. Throw in the towel now, and you'll just have the terrorists follow us home. Everyone knows that, including you. I'm not willing to pay that price, not now, not ever, but you are.
Let me close by offering similar sentiments recently offered by two men 'in the know' on the situation in Iraq who are not giving up. First, Kurdish Regional Government Prime Minister Barzani: "When I was in the United States recently and read the negative news in the Washington Post, New York Times and in the network TV broadcasts, I even wondered if things had gotten so bad since I had left that I shouldn't return."
Next, Gen. Abizaid: "When I come to Washington, I feel despair. When I'm in Iraq with my commanders, when I talk to our soldiers, when I talk to the Iraqi leadership, they are not despairing."
They may not be despairing,but because of stupid policy Iran and Syrian aren't fearing.
Which country?
Pakistan, Syria, Iran, Indonesia, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Iraq...
Which country to we carpet bomb first?
I won't presume why you do it, but the fact that you do is irrefutable.
No more conversation with you, KB. Your hate Bush stance is well known, and your BDS is obviously in high gear today.
Be well.
All I know is that he can't wait to get back. No one says it's perfect. No one says there haven't been mistakes, but to say the mission is not justified is flat out wrong.
Maybe you misread what I wrote. I said as soon as
"we captured Saddam Hussein" we should have grabbed his ass and left. Thus, implying we could do same thing to Syria and Iran if they don't comply as Saddam didn't. Now neither fear us and our word is shi......
Yemen. The nation of bin Ladden. The nation who gave aid and comfort to the COLE Bombers. The one who allowed them to escape. The nation not mentioned by the White house. We had a lot more justifable reason to go there first as the COLE attack was around 100 days of Bush taking office. Maybe just maybe had we bombed them before 9/11 for the COLE Bombing??? Well who knows. The responsibility for a lack of response for that one rest on two POTUS shoulders.
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I support a draft under these conditions.....
No college or work deferments (except LEO and FF).
Co-ed.
Lottery based.
No draftees in combat MOS unless they volunteer or unless there is all-out war.
Well--that would have been Clinton's responsibility, not President Bushes. Did you forget?
I don't know where you were when we went to war...I WAS told it was going to be a long, hard war...and I WAS told it was in Iraq...but not ONLY in Iraq.
If I heard this...I am sure our troops heard that.
I also am not going to get into a Bible debate with you....you will win. I don't use the Bible to debate President Bush's job with.
It is EASY to sit with your Bible and your computer and complain...but, you don't have the lives of MILLIONS of Americans on your shoulder.
You don't have to worry about the economy..not only for this country, but our allies and trading partners...
You don't have to worry about Bird flu, embryonic stem cell research, AIDS, Hurricanes that tear up three states...unemployment...Medicare....pension plans...out of control trial lawyers.
Just to name a few.....try doing all of that in one LIFETIME, let alone a few years.
Oh...and having the first ever attack on American soil that murdered 3000 people in 2 hours.
And...while you are dealing with all of that...you have half of the politicians in Washington, 90% of the MSM, and 2 ex-POTUS giving night after night insults, insult after insult.
So it is only about 11% malcontents making a big noise about pulling out.
That DOES encourage me.
Published: November 26, 2006
While politicians from both parties spin out their versions of Iraqs that should have been, could have been and just maybe still might be, the Army has taken on a far more useful project: figuring out why the Bush administration’s military plans worked out so badly and drawing lessons for future conflicts.
The Japaneses were in Japan...the Germans were in Germany...
The Islamofacists are in DOZENS of countries...not so easy to pick a target when there are dozens.
Also...when you have sleeper cells in the USA, just waiting for us to start the bombing before they start suicide bombings in our schools and malls.
Okay...so we put you in the QUIT side of the argument?
Typical. You didn't even bother to address any of the points mentioned. Ironically enough it is you who "cuts and runs" when it comes to debating legitimate concerns regarding the Iraq war.
It wasn't that way in Germany during the war...or right after the war though.
If we keep a presence in Iraq over 50 years...why would that necessarily be different than Germany?
We have no idea what Iraq will be like in another 5 years...which is about how long it took for Germany to "settle down" from what I read.
I guess quitting is easier than finding out.
Oh...forget it...there you go...20/20 hindsight again.
I won't debate with someone that wants to Monday morning quarterback ...back 6 YEARS AGO!!!
http://www.sss.gov/WHHAP.HTM
Two out of four of you concerns are answered at the sss site.
Co-Ed? I agree, but that would be a big fight in Congress. Be fun to watch.
"No draftees in combat MOS unless they volunteer or unless there is all-out war."
I don't know how that would be handled. Needs of the service, probably.
Mam, the COLE response was well within the time frame for Bush to respond once taking office. October 12, 2000 was the day it was bombed Yes Clinton was POTUS. Bush was sworn in what 100 days later? But look at events that followed and showed a lack of resolve. The Bombers captured and placed in a Yemen prison instead of being handed over. No demands {serious ones} made for their custody. Then what? The prison just pappened to be where? Where several hundred Islamics gathered seveal times a day and a tunnel was dug. They escaped. The COLE Bombers are still out there. Yemen Yawns.
carpet bombing is so archaic. we possess the same technology that has made the need for any draft, pointless. In this day and age, you do not even need conventional aircraft as delivery vehicles. As to the targetting. Those countries, namely one that has seigheiling goose stepping bloodlusting monstrous groupings that chant "Death to America", trains, pays, and sends insurgents into Iraq, invaded American Soil by taking over our U.S. Embassy in 1979, holding 52 Americans as hostages for 444 Days, tried to seal off the Straights of Hormuz but failed due to our Naval Escort and CIA, wants unconventional weapons, wants to destroy Israel and Our country as well.
Go ahead, you tell me.
".....you have half the politicians in washington, 90% of the msm, and two ex-potus giving-night-after-night insults, insult after insult, after insult...."
all of those should come under the heading of liberal insurgent sc&^bags.
they are detestable swine who would welcome the occupation of the u.s. by
a left wing foreign power. they are dangerous individuals for whom one
SHOULD NOT VOTE. they promise the moon but rob the earth from under
ones' feet. SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS
a ver que hagan estos diablos.
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