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To: leadpenny; TomasUSMC
We DO need a draft. Fear not, we have many FReepers now seeing the light. Over 100 of them have voted "Whatever it takes to win" in the latest FReeper Poll.

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I support a draft under these conditions.....

No college or work deferments (except LEO and FF).

Co-ed.

Lottery based.

No draftees in combat MOS unless they volunteer or unless there is all-out war.

1,407 posted on 11/25/2006 4:24:30 PM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: wtc911

http://www.sss.gov/WHHAP.HTM

Two out of four of you concerns are answered at the sss site.

Co-Ed? I agree, but that would be a big fight in Congress. Be fun to watch.

"No draftees in combat MOS unless they volunteer or unless there is all-out war."

I don't know how that would be handled. Needs of the service, probably.


1,417 posted on 11/25/2006 4:35:07 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: wtc911
We are at war.

The Constitution doesn't recognize War and War Lite, only that a state of war exists. Traditionally we have used two different instruments for declaring war. When dealing with a sovereign nation we have used a declaraion of war, and we took it off the books in the treaty that ended the war. When dealing with a non-sovereign, like the Barbary Pirates or al-Quaeda, we used a declaration authorizing the use of force. (That we didn't remove these declarations from the books after the non-sovereign was defeated was simply a matter of legislative sloppiness, and nothing further should be read into that.)

While a declaration of war and a declaration authorizing the use of force are two different instruments of war, they have the same constitutional weight. However, they don’t have the same political weight.

Looking at the two world wars of the 20th Century, once war was declared, Americans banded together to fight the common enemy. Dissent was crushed or severely chastised. But declarations authorizing the use of force have had problematic histories from the invasions of Haiti and Nicaragua in the early 20th Century to Vietnam and the current imbroglio in the Middle East.

During World War II the enemy was an ideology so evil that few could miss the point. Two years before America became involved in the war, the British and Canadians were already fighting, and many Americans took the train across the Canadian border to enlist in the Royal Canadian Air Force. (This is a far cry from those Americans who crossed to Canada during the Vietnam debacle.)

After Pearl Harbor, America launched its first full military mobilization since 1917. The draft had been reinstated a year earlier, and now American males received letters that began, “Greetings from the President.” Few thought of evading the draft, and huge crowds of angry men mobbed recruiting centers to enlist. There were no voices calling the attack “a law enforcement problem”. There were no voices saying that America had brought the attack upon itself because of some flaw in its makeup or policies. There were few who said that such an attack was not sufficient reason to go to war. No anti-war demonstrators ever took to the streets, and if they had, an angry mob would have lynched them before the police could have arrested them. With the 1941 declaration of war, we operated under what I call “World War II Rules”.

If we were operating under World War II rules today, things would be different.

While it may make no difference which instrument we use to go to war, we have to establish ground rules. Unfortunately, thanks to a failure of foresight, we are operating under Vietnam Rules. Unless we change this, we are going to lose.

1,457 posted on 11/25/2006 5:05:59 PM PST by Publius (A = A)
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