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Prince Charles should be 'Defender of the faith'
National News (UK) ^ | 10/22/06

Posted on 10/30/2006 9:29:28 AM PST by presidio9

A Christian group is calling on Prince Charles to take the title 'Defender of the Faith' when he is crowned king.

The Evangelical Alliance, which represents Christians across the UK, will make the submission in its Faith and Nation report due to be launched tomorrow.

The Prince has previously said he would like to be sworn as the 'Defender of Faith', taking into account the numerous religious groups represented in Great Britain.

Charles will become Supreme Governor of the Church of England when he is crowned king.

But the Evangelical Alliance, which represents over one million evangelical Christians in the UK, is calling for him to swear the traditional corontaion oath to be 'Defender of the Faith' - specifically the Anglican Church.

The call is among 100 recommendations to be made, ranging from religious liberty and the environment to constiutional affairs.

Evangelical Alliance public policy director Dr David Muir said: "The report offers Christians, people of other faiths and those of no faith resources for engagement, discussion and action on a wide range of contempory issues.

"We hope the report will help people understand the continued importance of the Christian faith in 21st century Britian."

The Prince's remarks on his coronation oath have sparked controversy in the past.

Former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey welcomed the proposed change, saying it would more adequately reflect the wide range of religions in the UK.

He said in June: "When the time comes for the next coronation there's got to be a number of changes. Very significant changes. The Queen came to the throne at a time when the Church of England was really the only Christian faith in the country.

"And there were no Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus around to be in any way evident in the life of the country. Now it's a completely different world, so the coronation oath would have to be looked at more critically.

"It's got to be a much more interfaith coronation service next time around. Prince Charles put his finger on it and there's no way in which the sovereign can be defender of one faith. Although I hope that the next coronation will say very firmly that Christianity is still the dominant faith of the United Kingdom... it's got to be a much more inclusive character."

But Dr Rowan Williams, current Archbishop of Canterbury, has warned in the past the Charles should retain the original title.

Speaking in 2003 he said: "Unless something really radical happens with the constitution, he is, like it or not, Defender of the Faith and he has a relationship with the Christian Church of a kind which he does not have with other faith communities."


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To: presidio9

I don't know about that. Most of them tend to be pretty worthless, but they do have some worthwhile people. Prince Andrew acquitted himself well in the Falklands War when he *volunteered* to serve as a missile decoy in his helicopter so his shipmates wouldn't eat an Exocet. He also flew a number of combat missions in that war. He put in 22 years in the Royal Navy as an active-duty serving officer.

IMHO, Andrew is more deserving of his post than Kerry is of his senatorship.


21 posted on 10/30/2006 9:49:37 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: fatnotlazy

aren't Wills and Harry half Stuart also from D?


22 posted on 10/30/2006 9:50:52 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: Spktyr

Ten bucks says the old bird outlives Chuckie.


23 posted on 10/30/2006 9:54:15 AM PST by soupcon
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To: presidio9

If "the Faith" is depending on a reprobate like Charles to defend it, it is truly in a precarious state.


24 posted on 10/30/2006 9:54:56 AM PST by Elpasser
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To: soupcon

No bet. There's every chance she'll do so. Her mother lived to 101, and Elizabeth shows no signs that she's any less tough that her mom.


25 posted on 10/30/2006 9:56:43 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: presidio9

Arguing over his proper title are they?

How about "Lord Tampon"?

That would be worth at least a giggle from Lady Camilla. ;)


26 posted on 10/30/2006 9:58:42 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Spktyr

The man should examine the direction England has been going in the past 100 years, and compare it to "where the Empire went." It is one thing to avoid persecuting the Christian faction that is out of power, and another entirely to walk away from the God of our Fathers, as he looks to be doing. He reminds me of my feminazi (former) sister-in-law, who loved every culture but this one and every country but her own.


27 posted on 10/30/2006 10:02:45 AM PST by 50sDad (The GOP dumped Foley, the Dems kept Clinton. See the difference?)
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To: ReignOfError
Adultery used to be part of the job description for kings--where else did all those royal bastards (like Diana's ancestor, one of Charles II's illegitimate children) come from? In fact, the royal dynasties of England since the Norman Conquest of 1066 all trace back to William the Conqueror, who was previously called William the Bastard.

The title of "Defender of the Faith" was first bestowed on Henry VIII by the pope, because of his defense of the Catholic view of the Eucharist against Martin Luther. Henry VIII later had Sir Thomas More and Bishop John Fisher executed because of their loyalty to the Catholic Church. It seems ironic that the non-Catholic monarchs of England have continued to use a title which came from the pope.

Since Latin doesn't have either a definite or an indefinite article, Defensor fidei could mean "defender of a faith"--so whatever faith the heir apparent has, he can be the defender of that.

28 posted on 10/30/2006 10:04:22 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: presidio9

Better yet, skip Chuckie and crown William.


29 posted on 10/30/2006 10:05:17 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: evets

Does the statue have something to do with Charlie's "United World Colleges?"


30 posted on 10/30/2006 10:06:17 AM PST by Oratam
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To: soupcon

It has happened before. George III succeeded his grandfather, George II, because his father died before his grandfather.


31 posted on 10/30/2006 10:07:07 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: presidio9
"It's got to be a much more interfaith coronation service next time around. Prince Charles put his finger on it and there's no way in which the sovereign can be defender of one faith.

Let me guess - the liberal elite Brits think Muslims will reciprocate when they're in charge?

" We'll be ever so tolerant now, and you'll be ever so tolerant when it's your turn". Dream on, Brits. They won't.

Christianity will be outlawed. Tolerance will be cease to exist. If Prince Charles and gang had been running the show in the 40's we'd all be speaking German.

32 posted on 10/30/2006 10:09:06 AM PST by GOPJ (In the War with radical Islam, it's not "for" or "against"-- it's victory or ruin.)
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To: presidio9







Is Prince Charles a Convert to Islam? - Daniel Pipes

Prince Charles to plead Islam's cause to Bush


33 posted on 10/30/2006 10:09:48 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: pandoraou812

He DOES look like Cindy Sheehan!!! ROFLMAO!!! Hey, So does Camilla!!!!


34 posted on 10/30/2006 10:10:00 AM PST by Hildy (Some are born to sweet delight; some are born to endless night.)
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Corrected link:

Is Prince Charles a Convert to Islam? - Daniel Pipes

35 posted on 10/30/2006 10:11:32 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Spktyr

I'm not sure how stressful it is being a monarch, but the Queen Mum was never Head Of State.


36 posted on 10/30/2006 10:12:02 AM PST by presidio9 (Make Mohammed's day: Shoot a nun in the back.)
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To: Spktyr

With some help from God, Charles will never be king.""

From your lips to God's ears....


37 posted on 10/30/2006 10:17:58 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: SF Republican

Is it Stuart or Spencer?

Can't keep the royal names straight.


38 posted on 10/30/2006 10:20:15 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: mtbopfuyn

Better yet, skip Chuckie and crown William."

Again- From your lips to God's ears......


39 posted on 10/30/2006 10:20:21 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: fatnotlazy
Harry doesn't have the corner on stupid actions and comments either. I remember his aunt Anne once declared that "pregnancy is a bore." What a waste of humanity she is.

How does that make her stupid? I've had several pregnancies myself and I promise you, pregnancy is a bore. It's the babies that are interesting, not the pregnancy. By all reports--some reports coming from friends of mine who know her--Anne is a devoted mother who doesn't spoil her kids.

40 posted on 10/30/2006 10:34:30 AM PST by Fairview
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