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Justice Scalia: Abortion Issue Not Constitutional
NewsMax ^ | 10/21/06 | AP

Posted on 10/21/2006 5:35:56 PM PDT by wagglebee

Deeply controversial issues like abortion and suicide rights have nothing to do with the Constitution, and unelected judges too often choose to find new rights at the expense of the democratic process, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said Saturday.

Scalia, during a talk on the judiciary sponsored by the National Italian American Foundation, dismissed the idea of judicial independence as an absolute virtue. He noted that dozens of states, since the mid-1800s, have chosen to let citizens elect their judges.

"You talk about independence as though it is unquestionably and unqualifiably a good thing," Scalia said. "It may not be. It depends on what your courts are doing."

Scalia added, "The more your courts become policy-makers, the less sense it makes to have them entirely independent."

Scalia, a leading conservative voice after 20 years on the court, said people naturally get upset with the growing number of cases in which a federal court intrudes on social issues better handled by the political process.

"Take the abortion issue," he said. "Whichever side wins, in the courts, the other side feels cheated. I mean, you know, there's something to be said for both sides."

"The court could have said, 'No, thank you.' The court have said, you know, 'There is nothing in the Constitution on the abortion issue for either side,'" Scalia said. "It could have said the same thing about suicide, it could have said the same thing about . . . you know, all the social issues the courts are now taking."

Scalia said courts didn't use to decide social issues like that.

"It is part of the new philosophy of the Constitution," he said. "And when you push the courts into that, and when they leap into it, they make themselves politically controversial. And that's what places their independence at risk."

Justice Samuel Alito Jr., the newest member of the Supreme Court, agreed that "the same thing exists, but to a lesser degree, with the lower courts."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; constitution; courts; euthanasia; iloveantonin; judicialactivism; moralabsolutes; prolife; scalia
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To: The_Reader_David

How about "murder during childbirth"?


21 posted on 10/21/2006 6:29:19 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I don't know. You can't tell from "polls." As I always say, the only poll that counts is the one taking on election day at your designated precinct.

We might be surprised by even some of the "Blue States."

It seems clear that the majority of voters want limits to "abortion on demand," or as I say, "Kill any baby, any time, any reason." It's a start.


22 posted on 10/21/2006 6:30:29 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: Tax-chick

Very well said.


23 posted on 10/21/2006 6:31:30 PM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

Thanks!


24 posted on 10/21/2006 6:33:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: tkathy
There already is. It's called the 10th Amendment
25 posted on 10/21/2006 6:35:06 PM PDT by slowhand520
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To: Tax-chick

California might go either way. I think New York, Mass., Conn, RI and DC will keep abortion no matter what.


26 posted on 10/21/2006 6:41:19 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
So then the Supreme Court needs to overturn laws against personal use of drugs, like weed, lsd, speed, and turn it over to the individual states.
27 posted on 10/21/2006 6:45:39 PM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?
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To: slowhand520

I guess you didn't get the memo. The 1st Amendment has been reworded to say that religion should not exist in public, and the rest of the amendment is only extended to liberals. Amendments 2, 9 and 10 no longer exist.


28 posted on 10/21/2006 6:46:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?

I would think that for the most part these are federal issues because of interstate commerce.


29 posted on 10/21/2006 6:48:09 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

We'd have to see - and of course it could be re-voted any time, by changing the state legislators. That's how our system is supposed to work.

It's not ideal - killing innocent people shouldn't be negotiable by the voters - but it would be a big improvement on the status quo.


30 posted on 10/21/2006 6:49:06 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If we have no fear, Pentecost comes again." ~ Bishop William Curlin)
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To: Tax-chick

Anything would be an improvement.


31 posted on 10/21/2006 6:49:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Disturbin

LOL...

Yes, Yes I am...8^)


32 posted on 10/21/2006 7:00:39 PM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: Mrs.Z
LOL. I found that out the hard way. I spent 12 hours at an installation in Lufkin one hot summer day. At the hotel desk I asked where I could get a nice, cold beer.

You can imagine the look on my face when they told me I was out of luck.

33 posted on 10/21/2006 7:05:35 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: Morgan in Denver
I've come to realize that there are at least 2 sorts of "conservatives." One sort looks at the Constitution as a strict constructionalist, and goes from there... Judicial activism is anethema to them. The other sort is a morality warrior, a busybody who feels the need to run the lives of other people. They support judicial activism every bit as much as do the leftists, but their agenda is different.

The question will become just what sort of conservative will drive the movement?

Mark

34 posted on 10/21/2006 7:06:38 PM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: wagglebee

How is it that if I grow for my own use? The getaround of laws protecting interstate commerce was used in the RICO act for everything from bootlegging of liquor to protesting of abortion clinics. The federal government should stay out of the states business and be limited to what it was originally put together for and that was to protect the borders and collect tariffs not to tax anything that moves, and turn a blind eye to the borders seeing them as potential votes.


35 posted on 10/21/2006 7:06:48 PM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?
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To: wagglebee
..just one more justice, just one more...
36 posted on 10/21/2006 7:14:24 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: wagglebee

37 posted on 10/21/2006 7:15:24 PM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: MarkL
Judicial activism is anethema to them. The other sort is a morality warrior, a busybody who feels the need to run the lives of other people. They support judicial activism every bit as much as do the leftists, but their agenda is different.

I support conservative judicial activism up to the point where liberal activists took us off the rails in the 1960s. When we reach status quo ante, then I'm all for the "hands off" approach. To start with, the SCOTUS needs to set down the following clearly:

-> No constitutional right to abortion.

-> Pornography, lap dances, snuff films, and other grossly obscene forms of expression are NOT protected under the 1st Amendment.

-> No constitutional right to any deviant sex act.

If they can start to get some of this right, I may begin to have hope for the Republic.
38 posted on 10/21/2006 7:26:16 PM PDT by Antoninus (Ruin a Democrat's day...help re-elect Rick Santorum.)
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To: wagglebee

Scalia makes eminent sense...usually.

But courts do have a role to play in fundamental life and death matters. Abortion is one such area of inquiry - the life of a human being. Courts do have the obligation to protect human beings from butchers. And Courts do have a role to play in protecting the old and infirm from unscrupulous thanatophiles.


39 posted on 10/21/2006 7:29:20 PM PDT by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: wagglebee
"The court could have said, 'No, thank you.' The court have said, you know, 'There is nothing in the Constitution on the abortion issue for either side,'

Scalia makes so much sense every time he opens his mouth, he should be the most admired man in America.

40 posted on 10/21/2006 7:44:14 PM PDT by montag813
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