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Did we plough up the Garden of Eden?
First Post ^ | October 17, 2006

Posted on 10/17/2006 6:10:35 AM PDT by NYer

An archaeological dig may have uncovered ‘Eden’ in Turkey, says sean thomas

I am standing above an archaeological dig, on a hillside in southern Turkey. Beneath me, workmen are unearthing a sculpture of some sort of reptile (right). It is delicate and breathtaking. It is also part of the world's oldest temple.

If this sounds remarkable, it gets better. The archaeologist in charge of the dig believes that this artwork once stood in Eden. The archaeologist is Klaus Schmidt; the site is called Gobekli Tepe.

In academic circles, the astonishing discoveries at Gobekli Tepe have long been a talking point. Since the dig began in 1994, experts have made the journey to Kurdish Turkey to marvel at these 40-odd standing stones and their Neolithic carvings.

But what is new, and what makes this season's dig at Gobekli so climactic, is the quality of the latest finds - plus that mind-blowing thesis which links them to Paradise.

The thesis is this. Historians have long wondered if the Eden story is a folk memory, an allegory of the move from hunter-gathering to farming. Seen in this way, the Eden story describes how we moved from a life of relative leisure - literally picking fruit from the trees - to a harsher existence of ploughing and reaping.

And where did this change take place? Biologists now think the move to agriculture began in Kurdish Turkey. Einkorn wheat, a forerunner of the world's cereal species, has been genetically linked to here. Similarly, it now seems that wild pigs were first domesticated in Cayonu, just 60 miles from Gobekli.

This region also has Biblical connections, tying it closer to the Eden narrative. Muslims believe that Sanliurfa, a nearby city, is the Old Testament city of Ur. Harran, a town down the road, is mentioned in Genesis twice.

Even the topography of Gobekli Tepe is 'correct'. The Bible describes rivers descending from Paradise. Gobekli Tepe sits in the 'fertile crescent' between the rivers Tigris and Euphrates. The Bible also mentions mountains surrounding Eden. From the brow of Gobekli's hills you can see the Taurus range.

But how does this intoxicating

notion link to the architecture of Gobekli, and those astonishing finds?

Klaus Schmidt (left) explains: "Gobekli Tepe is staggeringly old. It dates from 10,000BC, before pottery and the wheel. By comparison, Stonehenge dates from 2,000BC. Our excavations also show it is not a domestic site, it is religious - the world's oldest temple. This site proves that hunter-gatherers were capable of complex art and organised religion, something no-one imagined before."

As for the temple's exact purpose, Schmidt gestures at a new discovery: a carving of a boar, and ducks flying into nets. "I think Gobekli Tepe celebrates the chase, the hunter-gatherer lifestyle. And why not? This life was rich and leisured, it gave them time enough to become accomplished sculptors."

So why did the hunters of Gobekli give up their agreeable existence? Schmidt indicates the arid brown hilltops. "Gathering together for religion meant that they needed to feed more people. So they started cultivating the wild grasses." But this switch to agriculture put pressure on the landscape; trees were cut down, the herds of game were dispersed. What was once a paradisaical land became a dustbowl.

Schmidt explains that this switchtook place around 8,000BC. Coincidentally, the temple of Gobekli Tepe was deliberately covered with earth around this time.

We may never know why the hunter-gatherers buried their 'temple in Eden'. Perhaps they were grieving for their lost innocence. What is unquestionable is the discoveries made in Gobekli Tepe, in the last few weeks, are some of the most exciting made anywhere in half a century.

Schmidt shows me some workmen scraping earth from a rock relief (left). It is marvellously detailed: it shows scorpions, waterbirds, and river life. I suddenly realise I am the first person other than an archaeologist to see it in 10,000 years.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anatolia; anthropology; archaeology; biblicalarcheology; catalhoyuk; catalhuyuk; einkornwheat; gobeklitepe; godsgravesglyphs; prehistory; religion; sanliurfa; turkey
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1 posted on 10/17/2006 6:10:36 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 10/17/2006 6:11:08 AM PDT by NYer ("It is easier for the earth to exist without sun than without the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.” PPio)
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To: NYer

Since Eden only had Adam and Eve, I don't think its Eden.


3 posted on 10/17/2006 6:11:42 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: NYer

Eden's in Iraq. Noah's Ark is in Turkey.


4 posted on 10/17/2006 6:12:27 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (What's Russia's and China's part in all of this?)
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To: SunkenCiv
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5 posted on 10/17/2006 6:13:58 AM PDT by NYer ("It is easier for the earth to exist without sun than without the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.” PPio)
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To: NYer

Paved paradise, put up a parking lot.


6 posted on 10/17/2006 6:18:25 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 119 1:96)
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To: NYer

Very interesting.


7 posted on 10/17/2006 6:18:52 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer
Guy wants the Nile Valley brought into the picture, but, alas, the Nile was a raging river at the time and the Sahara was a beautiful grassland filled with game.

There was NOTHING along the Nile at that time, but there were towns in Ukraine (on the other side of the Black Lake since the Black Sea didn't yet exist).

8 posted on 10/17/2006 6:23:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: edcoil

Call me when they find the apple core....


9 posted on 10/17/2006 6:24:31 AM PDT by John Carey
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To: Sybeck1

I think the best guess is that Eden is near where Basra is today.


10 posted on 10/17/2006 6:24:39 AM PDT by twigs
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To: NYer
Farming is a much more secure and easy way to get sustenance.

If you ever do extended survival training, you'll find that it takes a lot of work to get food by finding it here and there throughout the year. Plus, it is not assured that you'll find enough in any one place.

The story of King David is about switching from a nomadic life to one of agriculture- of finding a spot and settling there, growing food there, and flourishing.

I'll have to think about Adam and Eve as being an allegory for moving from a hunter-gather setup to farming.

The pictures of the carvings are stunning- if they are as old as they are supposed to be, they are revolutionary.

11 posted on 10/17/2006 6:24:49 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: NYer
Hmmm ... I don't recall reading about Adam and Eve building a Temple? (must have missed that chapter in catechism?!?)
12 posted on 10/17/2006 6:24:56 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Alot" is NOT a word and doesn't mean "many". It is 'a lot', two separate words.)
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To: lonevoice

Whatever its significance, it is a remarkable and very ancient discovery.


13 posted on 10/17/2006 6:25:49 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: Alouette

Yep. You just don't know what you've got 'til its gone...


14 posted on 10/17/2006 6:26:04 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Expect a lot of democrat poll-smoking between now and 11/7)
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To: NYer
The Discovery Channel had a similar search in one of its documentaries, called In Search of Eden, which showed a location I thought more plausible. The location is near the headwaters not only of the Tigris and Euphrates, but also the Gishon and Pishon rivers, near the border of Iran and Turkey and close to the Plain of Urartu--which we know as "Ararat." It is a place with a lot of resonance. Today, there's a lot of red dirt and an Iranian city built on the place. -Theo
16 posted on 10/17/2006 6:30:15 AM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: NYer
This site proves that hunter-gatherers were capable of complex art and organised religion, something no-one imagined before."

Hold on a minute. Hunter-gatherers are inherently nomadic. They go where the food is. How could they build a temple of stone anywhere, and what good would it be since they couldnt expect to be in proximity to it much of the time? Perhaps we should question some assumptions about the behavior of people 10,000 years ago rather than viewing them through the prism of conventional wisdom. For instance this find indicates a culture which was rooted to a specific geographical location for generations. How did they do that? Did they already have agriculture back then? Was the cresent so fertile that generations of people could live in one spot, gathering and hunting with no effort to replenish and not pick it clean?

I begin to wonder about some of those people who claim ancient egypt is way older than anyone imagines and get laughed at by scholars because it's simply a ludicrous proposition. In other words, conventional wisdom precludes it, so any evidence presented must have some other explanation even if one cannot be identified. Perhaps there is some credibility to those arguments after all.

17 posted on 10/17/2006 6:32:20 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: pepsi_junkie
Sometimes people hold down opinions and facts because they don't want their ideas to be proved wrong. Take the water-Sphynx theory. It may be totally off base, but you have to wonder if some scientists and Egyptologists crap on the idea because they have a vested interest in the new theory being wrong.
18 posted on 10/17/2006 6:38:56 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: NYer

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19 posted on 10/17/2006 6:42:26 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: edcoil
No ... but it does say any of the following things:

... that Cain built the first city, Enoch, east of Eden in the land of Nod. It was Cain who seems to have come up with the idea of religion, too (Abel described as "also" bringing his offerings).

... or, after the birth of Enosh, that men had begun calling on the Lord.

In either case, it wouldn't have been unreasonable for them to have built a structure and if you live a long time it might be easier to develop advanced skills.

As for the structure being buried ... filling a stone structure with packed earth is a good way to protect it from damage if you believe there's trouble coming.
20 posted on 10/17/2006 6:46:29 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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