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A Battlefield for Tax Reform - Vanity
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| 9/17/06
| Principled
Posted on 09/17/2006 8:03:05 AM PDT by Principled
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To: pigdog
Probably so. I seem to recall you making a concerted effort to get me banned several threads ago by continually citing supposed "grievances" and "violations".
Nobody need to make an effort to get you banned. You do fine all by yourself.
To: tpaine
Nightie has a loooooonnnnngggg history of trying to distract FairTax threads in any manner possible to get them off-topic. He'll frequently launch into the "how many angels dance on the head of a pin" or similar topic as a diversion.
You'll see him try the same stunt on this thread soon no doubt. He's merely a disruptor troll when he starts this M.O.
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posted on
09/17/2006 12:24:01 PM PDT
by
pigdog
To: Principled
There are no other options. We are going to have taxes. The only choice is deciding the best way to have them.AMEN!
Are we going to have a tax system worthy of free people or will we continue to endure the communist inspired mess we currently have? THAT is the question.
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posted on
09/17/2006 12:25:49 PM PDT
by
Bigun
(IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
To: Your Nightmare
Please. The most unpleasant person, by far, on these FairTax threads is pigdog... Is he really unpleasant or is it just that YOU see him that way because he makes arguments that do not comport with YOUR views and YOU are unable to refute them?
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posted on
09/17/2006 12:30:17 PM PDT
by
Bigun
(IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
To: Your Nightmare
Those that can't rationally defend their positions often do exactly that. -- They erroneously claim their opposition is making a personal attack, and demand that the mods protect them..
-- 'Funny' tactic, isn't it?
Sure kills "real debate".
And it's up to the Mods to determine if there was really a personal attack.
Yep, - which puts them on the 'spot', and whichever way they decide, it creates more bad feelings and flame wars on FR.
All because some here can't learn to defend their political positions with common sense & rational debate.
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posted on
09/17/2006 12:33:36 PM PDT
by
tpaine
To: Your Nightmare
...FairTax plan which is an absolute nonstarter in Washington. According to whom? Last time I looked the FairTax plan had more support in Washington than all other tax reform measures combined!
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posted on
09/17/2006 12:33:36 PM PDT
by
Bigun
(IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
To: Man50D; ancient_geezer; Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; PhilWill; kevkrom; ...
Of historical note, 1911-1920 was a horrible decade. The meat grinder of WW I rightfully overshadowed significant changes to our constitution. Still, the populist amendments have and continue to do great harm to our republic.
The 16th legalized an income tax. A later (FDR?) supreme court found that progressivity was constitutional. So much for equal protection, right? It has morphed into a communist fantasy that relieves producers of their hard earned wealth.
The 17th removed state input from federal law making. The upper house of our national legistlature that was designed to be above the rabble of the populist mob has become a copy of the lower house, albeit with six year terms. Rather than cool the temper of representative government, the likes of Kennedy fan the flame of class warfare to the detriment of our country.
The 18th banned alcohol, a bad idea rescinded less than fifteen years later.
The 19th granted women the right to vote. I will defer to men braver than me to point out any downside.
IMO these populist amendments, and later scotus rulings regarding them, set the stage for our current problems. The democrat party as we know it could not exist without the female vote, the graduated income tax or senator's reliance on inner city votes bought with the sweat of producers.
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posted on
09/17/2006 12:48:51 PM PDT
by
Jacquerie
(Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean)
To: Your Nightmare
And it's up to the Mods to determine if there was really a personal attack and, if so, warn or ban that person. Ah... depends on which mod doesn't it?
From the posted vanity...
An anti-reformer may be taking advantage of the positions he he was entrusted with by the site (modertor). By taking sides in threads, berating and belittling pro-nrst posters,...
To: pigdog
There is now a concerted effort to get me banned. I am in receipt of some private FReepmails showing it.
To: Principled
There is now a concerted effort to get me banned. I am in receipt of some private FReepmails showing it.
Ooooo, another conspiracy! Do tell!
You guys are turning into a real tin-foil hat group.
To: Your Nightmare
Why does it surprise you that a group of anti reformers get together to concentrate some complaints on a particular pro reformer?
Do you deny it happened with pigdog? It was pretty obvious.
Now rob is sending emails to jimrob asking to get rid of me - even though the mods did not react to his complaint.
It must've not been the one mod in question!
To: Jacquerie
Excellent post!
Spot on analysis!
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posted on
09/17/2006 1:07:03 PM PDT
by
Bigun
(IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
To: Principled
...does it surprise you that a group of anti reformers get together to concentrate some complaints on a particular pro reformer? It shouldn't surprise anyone as that is what they do when they cannot refute the legitimate arguments being presented.
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posted on
09/17/2006 1:10:24 PM PDT
by
Bigun
(IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
To: Principled
You are not alone.
Anyone that uses an uncompromising constitutional position in debate will eventually be accused by their opponents of personal attacks.
[It is impossible to refute unconstitutional positions without causing 'offense']
Those who want to argue/debate constitutional issues cannot claim a 'personal attack' just because their opinions on the issue are being refuted. -- The old heat/kitchen/thick skin homily must apply to these types of debates.
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posted on
09/17/2006 1:14:40 PM PDT
by
tpaine
To: Bigun
And so they cause such a stir and start flame wars so that:
-the thread is moved
-posters get suspended
It is indeed the goal of some to stifle discussion as such. They want the thread to be hidden. That's why all this started a while ago. Simply an abuse report sent the thread away. ONce they discovered they could control the behavior of the mods like this, they went wild.
To: tpaine
The old heat/kitchen/thick skin homily must apply to these types of debates. I agree. But what's happened is that those who want to stifle the debate have discovered how to control the behavior of the mods wrt hiding threads. Simply hit abuse and irrespective of the circumstances, the thread is moved, locked or deleted.
I don't blame the mods one bit. They were left with little choice.
As I said, it is going to happen in the real world.
To: Principled
It is indeed the goal of some to stifle discussion as such. They want the thread to be hidden. That's why all this started a while ago. Simply an abuse report sent the thread away. ONce they discovered they could control the behavior of the mods like this, they went wild.I have pinged Jim Rob to this thread. Let's see what happens as a result.
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posted on
09/17/2006 1:32:06 PM PDT
by
Bigun
(IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
To: Principled
Why does it surprise you that a group of anti reformers get together to concentrate some complaints on a particular pro reformer? Do you deny it happened with pigdog? It was pretty obvious.
If there were a lot of complaints about pigdog, I'm sure he earned them. There was no "get together" to concentrate complaints against pigdog that I was involved in. And you give the Admins too little credit. Do you think they ban somebody because the get a lot of complaints?
To: Principled
And so they cause such a stir and start flame wars so that: -the thread is moved -posters get suspended
Once again y'all ignore the main source of the problems - pigdog. The FairTaxers have no basis to complain as long as they sit quiet at his antics.
To: Your Nightmare
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posted on
09/17/2006 1:57:12 PM PDT
by
outofsalt
("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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