Posted on 09/17/2006 8:03:05 AM PDT by Principled
Can y'all do your pinger thing?
I swear I checked Vanity to post this! Could you move it over there?
IMO, one of the biggest problems with taxes is that most Americans are too dumbed down to understand them. Most Americans don't understand that government, by definition, have no money. The only money that government has is in the pockets of individual citizens.
Confiscatory and predatory taxing practices, such as those that exist in America today, simply exemplify the absurdity of the American tax system.
As long as the tax system maintains the status quo, the divide between the "haves" (Republicans who work and earn money) and the "have nots" (liberals who only want what Republicans have - except for the working part) will only grow deeper. As Congress continues buying base by shifting more and more of the tax burden onto the shoulders of those of us who work, the debate over tax reform grows only more rankorous and more vociferous. As long as we continue to allow Congress to expand the margins of those who don't pay taxes (yet share the "tax cuts") and shift more of that burden to us, this debate has no peaceful end in sight. Remember, this nation was founded on the basis of "No taxation without representation".
Without tax reform, the American past will become its prologue.
There are only three choices in bill form. If there is a bill, or even a group working on your idea, i don't know of them.
IIRC it was tarrifs and excises that the founders preferred.
AMEN! (as i head to church!)
One of the advantages of the nrst is that it requires ALL individuals to pay the same marginal rate.
This unites taxpayers instead of dividing them.
The anti-reformers try to make the reform threads so unpleasant that people choose not to participate in them (what does this predict about the real world?)I'm not sure I remember ever encountering an "anti-reformer" on Free Republic when it comes to taxes. Virtually everyone I've encounter would love to see tax reform.
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The anti-reformers try to make the reform threads so unpleasant that people choose not to participate in them (what does this predict about the real world?)Please. The most unpleasant person, by far, on these FairTax threads is pigdog and he's a FairTax supporter. Maybe you should be concerned with your own house before you start worrying about others.
Perhaps he'd like to tell us how superior his Nightmare Tax (one of the many flat tax forms) is to the FairTax point by point?
Perhaps telling us how any flat tax eliminates payroll taxes and reporting all financial (and other) affairs to Uncle - if it does?? Then we can move on to other comparisons.
And, see ... it starts right in again ... the anti-reform trademark!What starts up?
Perhaps he'd like to tell us how superior his Nightmare Tax (one of the many flat tax forms) is to the FairTax point by point?This is a shining example of what FairTaxers consider "debate." There is no such thing as the "Nightmare Tax." This was invented by pigdog in a lame - and failed - attempt to ridicule me.
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If it's not broken, don't fix it.
For a hundred years congress has been tinkering with the tax code. The income tax is perpetually broken. Instead of getting fixed it has become increasingly more broken. President Regan accomplish a major fix of a broken income tax that took seventy years to decline to such a broken state. It has taken just twenty years to undo Regan's fix and break the income tax far worse than before his fix.
It appears the only people capable of permanently fixing the way taxes are collected is the people, not politicians and bureaucrats. The FairTax grassroots movement is by The People for The People.
The good thing about the debate is that the nrst is the most thoroughly investigated alternative - each and every point is debated in complete detail.
Problems have been identified and some changes have been made.
That's a good thing. And as debate continues, the level of knowledge of any lurkers continues.
Your Nightmare;
-- the most "anti-tax reform" people I've seen on FR are the FairTaxers.
They have refused to let any serious reform be discussed and have dogmatically promoted their FairTax plan which is an absolute nonstarter in Washington.
They consume so much of the debate and are so vehement in their support that they ensure no real tax reform can be accomplished.
There you have it sports fans; -- one side calls for debate "-- in complete detail --".
The other side claims: "-- They consume so much of the debate and are so vehement in their support --", that they ensure no real debate or reform.
I'll go with principles..
FairTax plan which is an absolute nonstarter in Washington.
Next to the income tax which has the most support in DC, the FairTax has the most support with 60 members of congress having signed on as sponsors or co-sponsors. No other tax reform bill comes remotely close to that many sponsors. It think one bill for a flat tax has three or four sponsors.
The forefront of debate in taxreform is indeed on Free Republic.
If anyone would like to be added to this ping list let me know.
John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25) offer a comprehensive bill to kill all federal income, SS/Medicare payroll, and gift/estate taxes outright replacing them with with a national retail sales tax administered by the states.
H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.Refer for additional information:
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