Posted on 09/17/2006 8:03:05 AM PDT by Principled
Geez may be busy (or out climbing mountains)
Yep sure was enjoying a nice crisp fall morning, think I dosome more the same this afternoon.
The pinger has been fired and, and I'm headed back out into my hills to enjoy abit o the wildlife ;O)
Good points. I never realized how similar liberals and the anti reformers are in terms of tactics. Naysayers who never divulge a plan of their own all the while complaining about the lack of debate. Makes one wonder what the true agenda is.
I have to take exception to one of your points.
There are plenty of Republican who even call themselves conservatives who love the government gravy train and think that the 'compasssion' of big government is a good thing. It's not just the self identified liberals and democrats anymore who want big government.
What you said was closer to being accurate just 6 years ago but many Republicans now buy into the compassion of big government made popular by GWB and glombed onto by Rick Santorum.
Have you now dropped support of whatever your "flat tax" might have been which you could never disclose???
Nice spin. Did you come up with that as you were circling the drain?
Are you saying HR.25 has been modified?
Oh, do tell us where ...
There you have it sports fans; -- one side calls for debate "-- in complete detail --".One side calls for debate, but never lets real debate happen. Funny, isn't it.
Next to the income tax which has the most support in DC, the FairTax has the most support with 60 members of congress having signed on as sponsors or co-sponsors. No other tax reform bill comes remotely close to that many sponsors. It think one bill for a flat tax has three or four sponsors.And that's gotten you what, exactly? Nothing. Hell, when then Senate Finance Committee held it "kick off" for tax reform, the FairTax was only mentioned once and that was to say it was a "nonstarter." What wonderful support y'all have.
If anyone want to know why there's no real debate about tax reform on FR, just check out this thread. If you don't agree with the FairTaxers, your motives are immediately brought into question. Nice way to debate, huh?
Fair Tax ping!
You're the one who claimed to support some (unknown) version of a flat tax ...I never claimed to support any version of any bill. So what? If tax reform is to happen, the bill hasn't been written. You couldn't accept that so you had to try your usual ridicule.
The other side claims: "-- They consume so much of the debate and are so vehement in their support --", that they ensure no real debate or reform.
One side calls for debate, but never lets real debate happen. Funny, isn't it.
Some one here is stopping you from "real debate"? -- Now that's a funny concept.
There are people on FR that insist that the mods stop their opponents "from posting to or about" them; -- has anyone on the fairtax side done that to you?
There are people on FR that insist that the mods stop their opponents "from posting to or about" them; -- has anyone on the fairtax side done that to you?No. But what does that have to do with anything? You don't think they asked people not to post to them because of their great debating skills, do you?
The good thing about the debate is that the nrst is the most thoroughly investigated alternative - each and every point is debated in complete detail.
Problems have been identified and some changes have been made.
That's a good thing. And as debate continues, the level of knowledge of any lurkers continues.
Your Nightmare replied:
-- the most "anti-tax reform" people I've seen on FR are the FairTaxers.
They have refused to let any serious reform be discussed and have dogmatically promoted their FairTax plan which is an absolute nonstarter in Washington.
They consume so much of the debate and are so vehement in their support that they ensure no real tax reform can be accomplished.
Your Nightmare writes again, in defense of his own words quoted just above:
If anyone want to know why there's no real debate about tax reform on FR, just check out this thread. If you don't agree with the FairTaxers, your motives are immediately brought into question. Nice way to debate, huh?
I submit that your initial post above tells the tale about debating 'motives'..
You very actions like that are why the term "Nightmare Tax" came into being.
The other side claims: "-- They consume so much of the debate and are so vehement in their support --", that they ensure no real debate or reform.
One side calls for debate, but never lets real debate happen. Funny, isn't it.
Some one here is stopping you from "real debate"? -- Now that's a funny concept.
There are people on FR that insist that the mods stop their opponents "from posting to or about" them; -- has anyone on the fairtax side done that to you?
No. But what does that have to do with anything?
You 'boldly' raised that exact issue just above.
You don't think they asked people not to post to them because of their great debating skills, do you?
Those that can't rationally defend their positions often do exactly that. -- They erroneously claim their opposition is making a personal attack, and demand that the mods protect them.. -- 'Funny' tactic, isn't it?
Sure kills "real debate".
They erroneously claim their opposition is making a personal attack, and demand that the mods protect them..And it's up to the Mods to determine if there was really a personal attack and, if so, warn or ban that person. Know anyone who's been warned or banned?
In fact, one of your clan (tying to support his claims to get me banned) even claimed I showed him to be a wooly sheep frolicking in a green field in Georgia. Oh, the horror!!! And this was the guy posting a clearly obscene post to me (which of course isn't obscene on his side of the fence)!
I guess that's easier than debating the FairTax. eh???
Well said indeed!
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