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The Conservative Case for Rudy Giuliani in 2008
Race 4 2008 ^ | August 31, 2006 | Dave G

Posted on 09/02/2006 8:39:06 PM PDT by VictoryIsInevitable

The Conservative Case for Rudy Giuliani in 2008

John Hawkins of Right Wing News makes the conservative case against Rudy Giuliani for 2008. Hawkins’ piece largely consists of the same old anti-Rudy arguments wrapped in slightly new packaging, focusing a lot on Rudy’s decade-old socially liberal positions on a few cultural issues, as well as his Manhattanite personal life and some nonsense about unelectability (more on that later). As such, I think this is a great opportunity for someone to lay out the conservative case for Rudy in ‘08. And that someone might as well be me.

Giuliani: Pro-growth tax-cutter

Rudy Giuliani has proven, both during his tenure as mayor of New York and through his subsequent rhetoric, that he is a pro-growth Republican in the mold of Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp, and Newt Gingrich. As mayor, Giuliani cut city taxes by more than eight billion dollars, reducing the tax burden on New Yorkers by 22%. Giuliani’s low-tax views remain intact. As Race42008 correspondent Kavon noted yesterday, Rudy’s recent visit to Minnesota included an emphasis on achieving economic growth via low taxes and less regulation on the economy. Rockefeller he ain’t; Rudy’s a Reagan Republican.

Rudy: Gingrich-style government reformer

Conservatives who liked Newt’s welfare reform and GWB’s attempt at entitlement reform have an ally in Rudy. As mayor, Giuliani reformed welfare in New York with the same tenacity as the class of ‘94 in Congress. Once again, this ain’t Christie Whitman we’re dealing with; Rudy’s a Newt Republican who also made a serious attempt to take on the teachers’ unions in NYC and fund school choice via charter schools. A President Giuliani means a conservative reformer who will fight for market-based revisions to our age-old bureaucratic messes in Washington.

Rudy Giuliani: Fiscal conservative

As mayor, Rudy Giuliani cut...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2006; 2008; bush; conservative; election; elections; giuliani; giuliani2008; giulianiforpresident; goombah; gop; polls; president; republican; rino; rudy; rudyforpresident; rudygiulianiwouldwin; scotus; vote; wrudy
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1 posted on 09/02/2006 8:39:07 PM PDT by VictoryIsInevitable
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To: VictoryIsInevitable
Repeat after me you mind-numbed robots...

Rudy is pro-choice.

He must be defeated!!!

2 posted on 09/02/2006 8:41:00 PM PDT by wireman
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To: wireman

Dude, read the whole thing via the link. Rudy says he's for conservative judges like Roberts and Alito!


3 posted on 09/02/2006 8:42:14 PM PDT by VictoryIsInevitable
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To: VictoryIsInevitable
I know. I'm just getting the jump on the rabidly anti-Giuliani crowd that will show up momentarily.

Wait for the pictures of Rudy in drag.

4 posted on 09/02/2006 8:45:05 PM PDT by wireman
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To: VictoryIsInevitable
Repubs have nothing in 08. Some one good, a real conservative, needs to step up. If he ends up being the nominee, I'll have to hold my nose. What choice do I have Gore, Hillary??
5 posted on 09/02/2006 8:45:27 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey
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To: VictoryIsInevitable

Sorry.

For Social/Cultural/Moral Conservative voters like myself, Giuliani means at least a temporary divorce from the GOP.

Plain and simple, I will not support Rudy for President or give my time, effort, or vote to a party that nominates someone this liberal for their highest office. A Pro-War Hillary running under the GOP banner is still unacceptable.

If Rudy is the best the party has to offer, then good riddance. Spend the next decade trying to out-liberal the Democrats on social issues as well as the fiscal issues on which you currently try to out-liberal them.

I won't stick around to help it happen.

Give up the Rudy crap. Find someone at least 1.5% Conservative to put on the ballot already.


6 posted on 09/02/2006 8:46:09 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.")
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To: VictoryIsInevitable

As I recall,

Rudy clearly stated about both judges that they "wouldn't be my choice."


7 posted on 09/02/2006 8:46:47 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.")
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To: TitansAFC; VictoryIsInevitable

I told you!


8 posted on 09/02/2006 8:47:41 PM PDT by wireman
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To: wireman

LOL.


9 posted on 09/02/2006 8:49:00 PM PDT by VictoryIsInevitable
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To: wireman

Let's just nominate Hillary, wireman.

Then I'll flame you for insulting the idea.

I mean, how can you not see the wisdom of nominating someone with such broad name recognition?


10 posted on 09/02/2006 8:50:46 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.")
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LOL, this is great Giuliani: Pro-growth tax-cutter

Nice, this is the same rudy giuliani who said that ruling out tax increases was political pandering. The same rudy giuliani who borrowed his way out of a deficit and passed it on to bloomberg. Last i recall even after he left new york taxes were still very close to the highest in the nation.

Rudy Giuliani: Fiscal conservative
the New York City government payroll by 19%, eliminating unnecessary civil servants from the public dole. Can anyone remember the last time a Republican president was able to send lazy federal workers packing? Inheriting a multi-billion dollar deficit, Rudy turned it into a surplus, delivering eight consecutive balanced budgets. Folks, this ain’t Linc Chafee we’re talking about here.

This is just flat out wrong, rudy added over 20k city employees to the rosters including 10k+ teachers.

Rudy: Gingrich-style government reformer Conservatives who liked Newt’s welfare reform and GWB’s attempt at entitlement reform have an ally in Rudy. As mayor, Giuliani reformed welfare in New York with the same tenacity as the class of ‘94 in Congress.

This is such a joke i can't stop laughing. THis is the same rudy who tried to sue and overturn welfare reform signed by clinton.

11 posted on 09/02/2006 8:50:47 PM PDT by SDGOP
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Dude. Article. Read. Sorry, but FR wouldn't let me post more than the first chunk of it due to word-limit. Here's the judge quote:

"Giuliani would appoint strict constructionists to the judiciary

Social conservatives who want to see Roe v. Wade overturned and who fear the imposition of same-sex marriage on unwilling populations by judicial fiat have a friend in Giuliani. Rudy has now explicitly voiced support for the appointment of strict constructionists to the federal bench. His recent trip to Minnesota included an admission that he would appoint judges like Roberts and Alito. During this same trip, Rudy also confirmed that he believes legislatures, and not judges, should set policy. A Giuliani presidency would now almost certainly fail to yield judicial rulings from the federal bench in favor of gay marriage, and would be at least as likely as any other Republican presidency to see abortion returned to the political process, where it belongs."


12 posted on 09/02/2006 8:51:13 PM PDT by VictoryIsInevitable
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To: SDGOP

I should also add rudy securing the borders is a joke. He agrees with mccain on immigration (said so on o'reilly). NOt to mention his BS sanctuary program as new york mayor.


13 posted on 09/02/2006 8:51:29 PM PDT by SDGOP
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To: TitansAFC
Exsqueese me? Baking powder?

Flame away!

14 posted on 09/02/2006 8:54:33 PM PDT by wireman
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To: VictoryIsInevitable
About that best that can be said for Rudy is that he has a "R" next ot his name.

His stance on gun control, borders, scope of government power, and social programs disqualifies him in my not so humble opinion.

15 posted on 09/02/2006 8:56:11 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Quam terribilis est haec hora)
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To: wireman
And without the pro-life vote, the GOP can kiss any aspirations of the white house goodbye.
16 posted on 09/02/2006 8:56:52 PM PDT by bushinohio
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To: VictoryIsInevitable
Giuliani would appoint strict constructionists to the judiciary...
We’ve yet to get definitive statements from Rudy regarding abortion or the Second Amendment in the last few years. While Rudy opponents trot out statements from the 1990s or even the 1980s on those issues, let’s wait and see where Rudy stands in 2006 before passing any judgment. Mayor Giuliani might just surprise pro-life, pro-Second Amendment conservatives with his interpretation of how the president, and not the mayor of the most liberal city in the country, should handle these hot-button cultural issues.

A guy who doesn't, now or twenty years ago, understand the plain meaning of "right of the people" and "shall not be infringed", wouldn't understand strict construction if it bit him in the buttocks.

Mayor or President the meaning of the Constitution doesn't change. There's these other little pieces of the Constitution too:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;

and

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;

Oh and this little snippet from New York State law:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed."
Article 2, Section 4 of the New York Civil Rights Law

17 posted on 09/02/2006 8:57:01 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: bushinohio

Good. Keep saying that!


18 posted on 09/02/2006 8:58:08 PM PDT by wireman
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To: VictoryIsInevitable

Just tell me his stance on the 2nd Amendment.

Then show me how he actually voted on such.

A challenge.

JJ


19 posted on 09/02/2006 8:58:33 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: VictoryIsInevitable
That site is an incredibly stupid collection of lies.

If Rudy is to win the nomination, and the election, he is going to have to forcefully renounce his liberal past.
"Forcfully": David Horowitz would be a good example for him to follow.

He's got a year yet to convince us he's changed, so his 'friends' should cut the baloney and tell him get to it.

20 posted on 09/02/2006 8:59:30 PM PDT by mrsmith
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