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Martyrs wanted
BostonHerald ^ | Saturday, September 2, 2006 - Updated: 08:24 AM EST | Jules Crittenden

Posted on 09/02/2006 12:28:50 PM PDT by cusack7080

I was planning to maintain a tasteful silence about the forced conversion of Fox newsmen Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig. I expressed my gratitude at their release, and was going to let the humiliating subject lie.Others haven’t, however, so let’s go: Centanni and Wiig -- abducted, bound and blindfolded by armed Islamic terrorists in Gaza -- were told they had to convert to Islam.They did so.They later said nice things about the Palestinian cause while still in the custody of Palestinian terrorist leaders. There was some premature debate among armchair heroes on the Internet about whether they should have done this......

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: centanni; conversion; forcedconversion; foxnews; hostages; islam; julescrittenden; wiig
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I hate to think what would be going through my head if I got abducted, but I feel that if I converted under duress, I would be betraying my faith if not to God, then at least to the west.
1 posted on 09/02/2006 12:28:51 PM PDT by cusack7080
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Open question to the forum: we have been discussing whether a forced conversion is "valid" in both Islam and Judeo-Christianity. My question is, if one refuses to convert and dies a martyr, is there any "special" dispensation? Let's say one is a sinner and has not been to confession for a long time previous . . . .


2 posted on 09/02/2006 12:31:37 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Have the newsman & cameraman RENOUNCED the islamic lies yet?


3 posted on 09/02/2006 12:31:56 PM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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God knows the number of every sparrow, and the number of hairs on your head. I believe he knows your heart as well. While the pain of uttering a forced conversion would weigh heavily on my soul, I also believe God would want me to live to fight another day, with the hope of being released in order to fight again.


4 posted on 09/02/2006 12:32:36 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier)
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Not being a religious person, I'd probably say anything I had to to survive. I certainly wouldn't condemn them for the same, but it baffles me why anyone should think a "tasteful silence" is an appropriate response to such a barbarity on the part of their captors.


5 posted on 09/02/2006 12:33:59 PM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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It's time to make immigrants and visa-applicants sign a form disavowing the objectionable parts of Islam before entering the country or becoming citizens.


6 posted on 09/02/2006 12:34:09 PM PDT by Tax Government (Defeat Islamic imperialists)
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"I hate to think what would be going through my head if I got abducted, but I feel that if I converted under duress, I would be betraying my faith if not to God, then at least to the west."

What?


7 posted on 09/02/2006 12:34:18 PM PDT by observer5 (It's not a War on Terror - it's a WAR ON STUPIDITY)
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They did what they had to do to stay alive. Refusing a forced conversion because of those sick pukes wouldnt have done them any good.
I'm just glad they were released with their heads attached to their bodies.

MM


8 posted on 09/02/2006 12:34:57 PM PDT by motormouth (Whatever you are, be a good one.)
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"They did so."

No, they didn't.


9 posted on 09/02/2006 12:35:07 PM PDT by Larry Lucido ("There's no problem so big that government intervention can't make it worse.")
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That's a good question , I've heard nothing about any renunciation to islam . Maybe they are suffering from Stockholm syndrom , (sarc).
10 posted on 09/02/2006 12:36:17 PM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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No doubt their families would have rather they were beheaded?

What nonsense. They served their own reverence for life by doing what they had to do to stay alive.

11 posted on 09/02/2006 12:38:31 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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It's time to make immigrants and visa-applicants sign a form disavowing the objectionable parts of Islam before entering the country or becoming citizens.

I think that any individual from a country that operates under Sharia law should be banned from entering this county. The laws are totally contrary to the US laws and constitution that adaptation and assimilation to them is unlikely.

12 posted on 09/02/2006 12:40:37 PM PDT by BRITinUSA
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Haven't they by their conversion, forced or otherwise, justified the actions of their abductors? I wonder how many of the abductors' co-religionists felt a tinge of contentment that these two westerners "submitted".


13 posted on 09/02/2006 12:41:46 PM PDT by cusack7080 (Captain of industry. Please you see!)
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Im thinking they believe that the forced conversion was just that... forced and it meant nothing except they got to live.

MM


14 posted on 09/02/2006 12:43:26 PM PDT by motormouth (Whatever you are, be a good one.)
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To: TimesDomain

"Have they RENOUNCED"

And I doubt that they will.


15 posted on 09/02/2006 12:45:27 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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I agree. Had it been my husband, I wouldnt have cared if he admitted to being the Lord Himself, if it meant he would stay alive.

MM


16 posted on 09/02/2006 12:45:35 PM PDT by motormouth (Whatever you are, be a good one.)
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I haven't seen where they have done anything but praise the "beautiful" Palestinian people since their release.

They may be doing this with the full understanding that any denouncement of Islam by them would make them an immediate high-priority target of radical Islamisists -- a blasphemous Muslim being infinitely worse than the rest of us infidels -- but, I suspect that Centanni's praise of his captors is more a reflection of the stupidity implicit in his natural liberalism than a symptom of his fear of reprisal.
17 posted on 09/02/2006 12:46:48 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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I have given this much thought.
We all can talk tough in the safty of our home, but how would we really handle this?
I would like to tell them that I will show you how a Christian dies and try to die a honorable death in the knowlegde that I have served my God and Country well. I wouldnt cry or beg, because this would give those cowwards what they want.
DEATH TO ISLAM....ISLAM IS DEATH.....


18 posted on 09/02/2006 12:48:11 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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A public renouncement of islam falsehoods would quiet all this ranting and give the terrorist a good slap back in their mohammed's face.

We need to bring back Spain's Santiago Matamoros - the heroic muslim slayer.


19 posted on 09/02/2006 12:50:15 PM PDT by TimesDomain (When a judge declares himself "MASTER", you become his "SLAVE")
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I don't believe their confession was valid in the eyes of God. He's a little smarter than that.


20 posted on 09/02/2006 1:03:14 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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