Posted on 08/21/2006 5:51:49 PM PDT by Bob J
In earlier news it was reported that a Baptist Sunday school teacher of 54 years was let go from her position because "My belief is that the qualifications for both men and women teaching spiritual matters in a church setting end at the church door, period," the Pastor was quoted as saying.
Apparently in a letter sent to the teacher earlier in the month they qouted from First Timothy Two, 11-14 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."
This news was posted on FR here and here.
It's an interesting topic considering the current discussions regarding Sharia law and the treatment of women in Islam. Some FReepers were shocked and others appeared to support the policy based on scripture interpretation.
What is your opinion?
Personally, I don't agree. I see nothing wrong with women teaching. Preaching... I don't know. I'd have to research that. Still, I support women teaching.
But, it's their church and their choice. So long as they don't interfere with the government laws, the only people with authority to tell them what to do are the higher leadership (assuming they aren't independent).
BTW-I heard the pastor. He said that there were many other issues and that he, in order to show his Christianity, wouldn't bash her in public. Sounds like it wasn't just the fact that she was a women, IMHO.
Since we are all playing theologians tonight here is two more scriptures for us to tackle in Matthew 18:8-9
8.If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off, and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life maimed or crippled, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into the eternal fire.
9 If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out, and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the Gehenna of fire.
Presumably, since most of us on this forum have feet, hands and eyes, I suppose we can take this to mean none of us have sinned.
What say you?
Weren't a couple of threads enough for this topic?
Sorry, but it's not really worth more than one thread. It's an interesting question, but your post could easily have been added to the previous thread.
"But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery." -Matthew 5:32
No...and I teach sunday school.
Does this mean that all those nuns at Our Lady of Perpetual Detention are going to get fired too? I don't know about the Baptists, but the Catholics have been letting women teach for a long, lonnnnnnngggggggg time.
Either Genesis is right, or it's wrong. Genesis says, man, both male and female are made in the image and likeness of God. That means they have the same rational powers of God. If you think your cut from Peter applies to what I said, then you'd be able to show where God nullified Gen 1:27. If you can't do that, Peter doesn't apply, nor does anything from Paul, because no teacher is greater than his master.
"God can change your heart and give you the wisdom and the understanding of His word"
He could, but He won't. God gave men free will, so that they could and would choose on their own. Isaiah 6:9-10
" " 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'
No. I'd say physical or emotional abuse fits in there too.
People only need to be taught to read. The words are there plain as day.
AS the brother in law of a female pentecostal pastor, I don't have a problem with it.
So long as the teacher, whether they are female or male, sticks to the BIBLE. That's the key.
Agree. The woman Sunday school teacher has a better understanding of the scriptures then the Pastor does in my opinion.
You obviously need a crash course in humility but I am certainly not the one to do it.
Carry on.
What say me?
I am not gonna cast the first stone!
Maybe we need to reverse the roles in the families, send the wife out to bring the paycheck home and let the man sit at home and take care of the kids and house that way he could study the Bible more.
Only if there's only one man left on earth and there's no one else to teach him but women.
Eve repeated to Satan what God had told them about eating from the tree and Satan lied to her about God and she believed the lie.
Genesis 3:1-5
1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?" 2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.' " 4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.
Then
Genesis 3:13
13 And the Lord God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
Game, set, match. Eve deceived, Adam stupid.
Anyway, this whole story, in my view, is just that: a way to relate the fall of man. All of Genesis is a story, since no eyewitnesses were around to see any of it happen.
No one was around to see the Big Bang, but millions of people have absolute faith that it happened. If you can convince yourself that most of Scripture is nothing but a fable, like Hansel and Gretel, it makes it much easier to dismiss, in which case Satan has won another one since if Scripture is a fairy tale, then you won't take God seriously, especially the part where He discusses the fate of unredeemed man and you will die without knowing God which is what Satan wants above anything else.
And, since God has told us that " All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,...", and "for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.", we know that God, and not man, did indeed set the rules for His churches, that He commanded men to establish.
And a woman can be "scripturally-educated" all she wants, but if she holds a position of authority over a man, in the church, she is sinning against God.
Again, not politically correct, but scriptually correct, which, after all, is what matters in the end.
So you figure anyone who claims to be a teacher is qualified to teach you?
I think you misunderstand my statement.
I'll know the qualifications of anyone I allow to teach me anything.
Perhaps your standards are a bit lower?
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